TL;DR: - Prizes = rubies/contribution/crowns depending on your placement, the tournament type, and number of people competing. - Tournament hosts also get stuff too. - bonuses if you record matches or do some piecemaker tourney judging round videos. ____ I am here to show a guideline for what the host can offer as prizes for participation in custom tournaments. This is not an opportunity for you to 'game the system' and farm rubies, if I find that you are trying to exploit this you will lose more than you stand to gain, so keep it legit have some fun and don't try to force tournaments into happening just to gain rubies, if no one is interested in your ruleset or you feel like you might not be able to handle hosting just move on and open some login boxes instead. The idea here is to have partly standardized prize brackets so you know there are prizes even if I don't chime into your thread mentioning them, these will be based on the following: -How many people signed up for the tournament. -How many people participated and had a fair chance. -The general interest in the tournament and how well the host did helping it along. Hosts can expect: 50~500+ contribution depending on scale and how smoothly it goes, and whatever else I feel like giving away at the time for having a completed tournament depending on my random arbitrary and subjective assessment, there is no guarantee because this is not a ruby farm, but good hosts may also be awarded **crowns**. Tournament prizes based on number of participants (16~128+): 1st place: 100~500+ and possibly crowns 2nd place: 50~400+ 3rd/4th: 25~250+ 5th/6th/7th/8th: 0~100+ (needs to be a large tournament for these) Depending on tournament type, the prize may also be in the form of contribution which increases your landmark causing future contribution to yield even more rubies. This is generally the main difference between PvP tournaments and Piecemaking tournaments. The prize range is also partly subjective, and could increase or decrease based on merits of the tournament. If I like the rules for the tournament and feel it added value to the game or follows closely to the spirit of the game it could be higher or even have bonuses, but if it looks forced or clunky with low participation and inaccurate hosting it could be lower depending on circumstances. If the tournament is popular and completed within reasonable time I'll judge the community has spoken and the prizes for host will be decent, while the level of competition decides the prizes for placement. If you are hosting a tournament it is your job to make it easy for the participants as much as you can, but a good tournament with a good host doesn't need to happen every day, and trying to host a tournament through forum and friendly duels is no easy task, so be prepared. To claim rewards, send me a PM after it is finished with the following details: 1:Tournament name and forum link 2:Number of active players that completed at least 1 match 3:Link to brackets on challonge or similar 4:List of placements (1st~4th for small medium, up to 8th for large tournaments) 5:Start and end date 6:Anything interesting about the gameplay of your ruleset you found during the tournament 7:Do not demand a value but suggest one if you are thinking fairly There are also contribution prizes for people **recording their tournament videos and uploading to YouTube**, linking back to Kongregate maybe also a plus.

Thanks for this very considered, clear explanation. I might decide to host one myself if I come up with a good theme.

I was going to PM you about the classic cup, but I checked the game first and found that you had added contribution for me. Was that for the second Wisp Cup, the Classic Cup, or both? By the way, the Classic Cup final was never played between kevincentius2 and Destroyer96. Also, I'm not sure if kevin has released his Classic Cup videos yet, which could earn him some extra contribution.

For what it's worth, Mpabdu's effort at a tourney is by far the most organized one yet

This is very nice. In past, I had a few ideas about tournaments I'd like to see, but did not feel like spamming you is a good way to get started :) . Following this, there are few things I would like to ask both Grand and people who are thinking about organising tournaments: 1. Should we have some "reservation / registration" for time period in advance (at least in this topic) ? This is to prevent many people from organising at the same time, and let's be honest, also from trying to gain from it. Many tournaments at once will lead to lower participation in some of them, hence the host is better positioned to gain rewards. 2. Should we have some voting for rules, or at least for which tournament will be chosen by community to be prefered, and receive "funding" from Grand ? 3. And, if all those seem a bit cumbersome restrictions, could there be option / possibility to "fund" the tournament from organisers own resources (coins, rubies) ? This way, he certainly does not gain anything. Maybe even group of organisers working together ? As a side thought, this might get people thinking about tunneling resources from one individual to other (between friends). Still, I believe the "entry barrier" for organising is quite significant, reward pools should be tiered reasonably, and entry is free for anyone, so I don't think we need to worry about this yet. If any of the questions don't seem too important, consider this: I want to organise tournament, how do I prevent someone to do another one at the same time in future, and either compete for funding from Grand, or have one of them ignored just because of time overlap ?

looks fun. i wish i were strong enough to join

Well, it didn't take long to get to the point I thought of avoiding. I am commenting here, so my previous questions can be seen at the same time. DarkPheonix is already starting another tournament, while the previous one (Variation) has not even started yet. It is 7th of October, he plans his tournament for 1st of November (or after 50 people sign up). So, how do I (or anyone) get a free time period for his own, in advance planned tournament ? Or would we just leave it at "first to spam, first to act" type of thing ? In that case, I announce Mike's Monthly Madness, each month, starting December 2016 in the browsers near you. I'll gladly take the Christmas time period, it's the best time of year for such kind of event. Unless someone has better presents already prepared for us all, hidden under some 0.4x or maybe 0.5x folder :) .

> *Originally posted by **[KerdonMike](/forums/32630/topics/667934?page=1#10762574)**:* > So, how do I (or anyone) get a free time period for his own, in advance planned tournament ? > Or would we just leave it at "first to spam, first to act" type of thing ? Presumably if there's a clash, people would join the one they're more interested in. Yes it does hurt the participation for both tournaments, but competition between organizers should lead to better tournaments no? I think a good idea would be to have a dedicated thread where people are only allowed to post tournament disclaimers, with a volunteer (or potentially a group of them) updating a Google calendar (or equivalent) with the scheduled tournaments' dates and times. This way new organizers can see which dates and times are already taken. I think it **should** be allowed to schedule for an already taken date/time though.

> *Originally posted by **[Mpabdu](/forums/32630/topics/667934?page=1#10763477)**:* > I think a good idea would be to have a dedicated thread where people are only allowed to post tournament disclaimers, with a volunteer (or potentially a group of them) updating a Google calendar (or equivalent) with the scheduled tournaments' dates and times. This way new organizers can see which dates and times are already taken. I think it **should** be allowed to schedule for an already taken date/time though. > Yes, that's what I wanted to initiate here with my first post here :). For: " ... but competition between organizers should lead to better tournaments no ?" I can already use Grands own view (I can think of more negatives, but he is the one whose opinion counts most here): "This is not an opportunity for you to 'game the system' and farm rubies ..." "... being a bad host is dragging everyone into a type of despair..." For criteria (Grand): "...if I like the rules for the tournament and feel it added value to the game..." From DarkPheonix12's 1st tournament: "...no special rules." (Apart from defined tournament structure, in, you know, tournament.) Also, allowing it freely is encouraging people to just spam in, for chance for reward. Even if there wasn't reward, they (spam hosts) are affecting attitude of possible participants toward the tournaments, and are setting an expectation of how tournaments from other people are likely to look like as well (organisation-wise, rules, attitude). Again, in DarkPheonix12's own words: "To register just post your in-game name on this forum thread. For the sake of organization, I request that you refrain from making aditional posts for comments or for other reasons." Now that's what I call setting the bar for future expectations - no rules, shut up and play it, so I can possibly grab some rubies for it. And how better could DarkPheonix12 prove my words of spam-host, than by "creating" (at least discussion for) another tournament within "a moment" from his first. Surprisingly convenient (for, hmm, him ?) it will start right after his 1st tournament. I mean, who wouldn't love such "competition" to spoil the interest of people in any other tournaments. (For one, me.) If I could also point to standard practice in other games, overflow of tournaments is not encouraged usually from the game developers / producers. There needs to be some cooldown period, so people can still take interest in them as something special, and are not "overfed".

My tournaments may go one after the next, but it's certainly not demanding. One match every two days for participants isn't too bad in my opinion. After I see the turnout of my first tournament I will consider setting sticter more structured dates for the tournaments to begin. Consider however, automated tournaments. Most games with automated tournaments have no strict start time and either starts when it's fully qued with particapents, or once everyone 'votes' to start the game (Or something along that line.) Ideally I'd like to give anyone an unlimited amount of time to que themselves into a tourney until the limit is reached.(Which is why I'll always have at least 2 uncompleted tournaments up at a time. This will usually consist of 1 on-going tournament, and 1 upcomming tournament) (Although at this point I don't know the exact demand for tournaments, so tournament size is still in question. I'm also hosting rather casual tournaments, as they're not demanding as each round lasts 2 days. Some hosts may decide to organize it such that everyone will gather at a specific time (Probably in a chatroom specificly made for the tournament participants) and complete the whole tournament in a matter of hours, and that's fine too. However, the difference is, my tournaments are not demanding enough to interfear with another tournament's schedual. That is, unless that tournament required the participents to pay sole attention on it for 2 days striaght. If I structured my tournaments differently, I certainly would have a cooldown period. Frankly, when it comes to farming contribudation, my style and structure of my tournaments certainly wouldn't be the fastest way for one to pursue 'farming'.

Yeah, exactly. So let's each of us (not the 2 us, but everyone who is willing to participate in any tournament) create uninterrupted (in time sequence following each other) series of our own tournaments. We'll each attend our own, and noone would have time to play at too many of them, so basically we can "split" so that each tournament has, I don't know, 3 participants. While at that, let's keep the guaranteed prices for first 3 places, so that it "certainly wouldn't be the fastest way for one to pursue 'farming' ". That's correct, it wouldn't be the way for one, it would be the way for all the hosts (and attendants at the same time) at once, everybody wins ! Except, that's exactly what Grand doesn't want (see his guideline). Automated tournaments are most common in poker, where you have thousands of people playing at the same time, so they get filled quickly. Poker tournaments and their goal (and their rules, and ease, or rather lack of organisation / host) makes them completely different in their purpose from CEO tournament. Would be nice of you to try understand the difference at least now, if the first time you didn't when giving such example. From your tournament #2 thread: "I ask that you refrian from further baseless accusations/suggestions". I never made baseless accusations, maybe you need to read the advice you're giving yourself, or try to read the "base" / reasons for what I wrote. "While I'll certainly accept gems as a reword for my efforts in hosting a tournament, I'm mostly doing it so that I have tournaments that I'll enjoy participating in. ... I wouldn't be surprized if, as the host, I wouldn't be eligable to get gems in the case of placing high in the tournament." First, let's repeat / reiterate those efforst : no rules, and everyone don't talk / object / suggest anything. Admirable efforts, and I'm the bad guy that even dares to question them, shame on me. So, you're not in it for gems, you're in it for gems from winning OR (if you fail to place high) for gems from organising. Also, if Grand in his undisputable ruling decides to give you both rewards, you wouldn't dare to object to that. I see. And finally: 2 days ago, it was just before scheduled start of Variation tournament (which had a more lot thought and effort put into it compared to yours). Anyone who is decent enough, and also read guideline which only empowers that common sense, would wait as to prevent colliding with it. Because that means "stealing" the focus / spotlight from it, and make the fellow organiser, and also the small group of players that do participate, compete for their time and attention. Not you of course. Now Variation host is not responding for some time, you even got lucky, so go enjoy. Hopefully there won't be too many players trying to make it difficult for you to get those rewards you only accept as humble punishment, poor you.