Once you have 2 level 90 heroes, the matchmaking algorithm lands on Bree and Hawk 90% of the time. 5% of the time it lands on another air/earth combo, and the other 5% an actual random pairing.

Definitely needs fixing. The precise issue is this: Every player that has Bree and Hawk at lvl 90, gives these into the matchup pool for 90ies solely. All his other 90ies never are selected. If either Bree or Hawk (or both) are below lvl 88, it picks the first two heroes that passed this line, according to the list in the Battle Card deck view. So it's Bree -> Hawk -> Krell -> Peg -> Trix... I for example have Bree and Krell at lvl 87 only atm, and because Hawk and Peg are at 90, they are matched against others only. My other 90ies, Gilda, Thrudd, Jinx, Monty and Logan, never go into a battle, because they come later in the list. So, actually, there isn't even any randomness in the hero selection. Please improve that, always fighting Bree/Hawk really is very lame.

This is more than just an issue with level 90s. My highest character is 61, and I see the Hawkeye/Bree combo a lot.

It gets worse at 90 Matt.

ofc, your heroes lvl doesn't really matter (thought it would be obvious, so didn't stress it). if your highest two (!) heroes are both at lvl 61, you only get Bree/Hawk from players that lvl their heroes equally and that are in the range of 59-61 with their heroes, or Bree/Hawk at least..

I am with you Aesche. Phrased a different way, the amount of players who have both bree and hawk increases dramatically against level 90 opponents. it was annoying pre 90, but not 10 refreshes with the same opponents annoying.

Agree. Please make it truly random, devs. Arena would be much more interesting if it wasn't a solid wall of Bree/Hawk only occasionally interrupted by Bree/Monty.

I just found the reason why it's always this order of Bree -> Hawk -> Krell -> Peg ->... It's the heroes IDs sorted by 123ABC. If you need to keep a fixed order in other places where this list is sorted like this too, like in the heroes card list page (which is a good idea, to have a fixed order there), fine, but as said, please make a really random choice for the arena opponents!

> *Originally posted by **[aesche](/forums/35743/topics/1701709?page=1#12784287)**:* > I just found the reason why it's always this order of Bree -> Hawk -> Krell -> Peg ->... > It's the heroes IDs sorted by 123ABC. Where do you find the heroes IDs? Or can you just post the list please? Until they fix it, some of us can help the problem a little with level control. For example I only have Krell/Jinx/Logan above level 87. Any combo of the 3 is ok with me, but judging from your first post Im represented at top level play by Krell/Jinx. But in the meantime I will know not to level Bree/Hawk past 87 for a tiny bit more variety :)

As I said, the order is like when you go to see your decks. Typing it out again, it's this: Bree, Hawk, Krell, Peg, Trix, Gilda, Fergus, Logan, Red, Thrudd, Monty, Brom, Jinx

+1 Really annoying

> *Originally posted by **[aesche](/forums/35743/topics/1701709?page=1#12787505)**:* > As I said, the order is like when you go to see your decks. > Typing it out again, it's this: > Bree, Hawk, Krell, Peg, Trix, Gilda, Fergus, Logan, Red, Thrudd, Monty, Brom, Jinx > OK thank you. I wasnt getting it cause Im used to viewing them in the other order that starts with monty/bree/brom

Looks like they sort by GUID for the boosters in the guild donation screen too (although this is a guess as I don't have the GUID for some of the holiday boosters but the ones I've been able to check so far it works for): Fire: * 2f84bc97-2002-40bd-a509-e064fee3f44f = Lantern * 392c9733-de3f-4ea2-8ae4-e4f3dbce74f8 = Crucible * 71504842-6e14-4354-9e92-211817c2bc74 = Baubles * c6ecc042-c7ce-4143-9ac3-223b8fb56803 = Hot Horn * f3b0113e-f6be-4286-991e-eefcdcfe2b59 = Blazing Totem Earth: * 02a9bb2b-f32f-438a-911c-735facf21390 = Golem's Hand * a573a87a-78ee-4c4f-b3c9-228e9b2e8a11 = Holly * cde2ae9f-98df-4acb-9345-5064529f829e = Petrified Wood * ???????-????-????-????-??????????? = Poison Apple * e9d74f9b-d5fc-48ce-88b8-ea2794daf93b = Forest Totem Air: * 280e88cd-ab9c-41dd-a893-33bcf619d2b3 = Sky Chart * 9fc0d34e-f558-42a2-925a-d22baec52557 = Wind Totem * cc0d186b-47fb-42de-8b53-1ff039a8b8f3 = Broom Stick * dcf39a7e-4509-450f-8fe3-71143facfb02 = Holy Book * e34b79a0-a0ee-4f2f-befa-a794ed78d766 = Robin Spirit: * 1814d2c3-057a-4e43-84e8-3b27af22d394 = Canoptic Jar * ???????-????-????-????-??????????? = Coal * ???????-????-????-????-??????????? = Dead Man's Toe * c72202eb-f1cb-4415-ab6b-b9c293229785 = Spirit Lantern * e784c1b6-2203-4bf3-974b-27abe55e6525 = Cursed Book Water: * 19f1ec84-87e1-401c-9520-6da5ec8d53df = Ocean Relic * 5f4a9c3d-adb6-4f51-a0ec-8ea7f5f67306 = Anchor * 8971ac4c-3fcc-4c65-8137-194d63058eaf = Bowl of Worms * be4d84ef-e46b-4f14-876d-fe745d3e0edf = Sea Chart * e4ae44b7-8b12-4efe-a609-38d0592f602a = Snowballs Neutral: * 4ce4e035-b974-47f8-98dc-c8c2eb816604 = Stinky Cheese * 67e38722-f2ce-47a4-8f65-fd6c48d166da = Magic Bean * 7c5f4e63-1713-47f6-81e2-789abf9f3315 = Golden Eggs * 92ebf3f5-23f8-4491-ab0b-f6a4f16cd11c = Candy Corn * c22714d2-249b-4c92-bee5-61ac25cbd3e5 = Santa's Sack * cc0f77e9-3830-4b34-b344-c8400d5c42d8 = Old Dice * df98cf4a-3942-47e2-88bf-d45e30f1033c = Rubber Duck

hey @APP , this feels like a giant waste of time if you dont respond to the threads.

My crusade continues. With the addition of L wind talker and the future addition of song of nature to Bree's arsenal, this is going to become a very annoying pair to get on 90% of matchups.

> _Originally posted by **[paulinsr](/forums/33541/topics/1701709?page=1#12961509):**_ > My crusade continues. > > With the addition of L wind talker and the future addition of song of nature to Bree's arsenal, this is going to become a very annoying pair to get on 90% of matchups. I agree. They are already frustrating when equipped with L FS and L WT.

Got my guys to 90 recently. This is still an issue and has felt even worse the past couple of days. 5 arena battles shouldn't take this long.

I’m sorry devs whoever you are but it seems as if you just don’t care. I have been playing for nearly 3 years and this Arena matchmaking is horrible and getting worse. Why do you think EVERYONE should be paired with Bree/Hawkeye on 12 pt matches?? If I were to refresh I MIGHT get someone else after maybe 20 refreshes. Meanwhile my clock ticks and I risk loosing my streak. WTH?? Listen to us!!