CHAOS ARMOR fused with low rank armor is surely one of thebest alternatives for Rebirths. I’ll surely add it on Alternatives(with maybe som e combos). Thanks! (It wasn’t there because for some reason I forgot about it).

Metal pendants suck compared to the immortal pendants you can get from the special shop, because immortal pendants are u20. Its rank will be your BA rank, so you can get a rank 40 Immortal Pendant (which you really, really should) and a few more for other ranks.

Updated with some list of abbreviations. Unfortunately, I’m running out of reserves, so I don’t think I’ll add more things anymore. I’m stll pretty happy it works for everyone :D

“About enhancers, 3 attack/2 crit pieces are good enough for beat Special Arena at that rank” What does this mean? Use 3 Lv.X Attack rocks and 2 Lv.X Crit rocks? or is this the Bonus Power Rocks? I don’t know how to quote, sorry

You’ll mostly want Level 10 enhancers. Level 12 are better, but not necessary and take a while to farm. EDIT: That’s actually an info I should add somewhere in the guide. Thanks to you, for reminding me (;

Ok so it means a +5 weapon in that case?

I think I’m finally starting to hammer out all of the gear that I’m gonna use for rebirthing. Any input on this would be much appreciated. Also note that I’m a crazy over-achiever and that nobody should strive to amass all of this gear (not even me, but like I said, I’m a crazy over-achiever). * * * # Weapons. Mostly conventional stuff. ~~r40 Dark Gun/Wooden Dagger. Seems to end up with better stats than the Fire Gun/Silver Dagger that Baalhrezem recommends.~~ Edit: Turns out, Golden Dagger/Wooden Dagger is better! Thanks, superjewk. :) ~~r100 Golden Gun/Diamond Dagger. Might try some u6 shenanigans by fusing a craftable weapon with a u7 Fauchard or something.~~ Edit: JK. [u7 r110 Carrot Gun/u5 Elite Grenades](http://s5.postimg.org/cqiuzhkvb/Fear_the_Carrot_Gun.png). [“r110 Carrot Gun?”](http://s5.postimg.org/y67m1cfmv/Carrot_Gun_GET.png) I’d like a weapon for ~r150 with which to punch through [H] SA more easily. Baal’s guide doesn’t have anything for this rank, but bobbilly recommended a G5/Diamond Dagger fusion. This was quite a while back, though; is this still a good choice, or are there any better options these days? ~r200 Here’s where I find myself drowning in options. bobbilly recommended a G5/Greatersword. Baal suggests Crimson Bow/G3. Personally, I’d be tickled pink if one of the special Collector’s Pendant weapons (Carrot Gun, Dark Mage Wand, etc.) could find some use here. u7 Crimson Bow/u7 DMW, maybe? Anybody down for some jolly brainstorming? Edit: G5/Triangle Sword is exactly r181 and has great stats. Definitely gonna go with that. Thanks again, superjewk. :) r241~250 u7 Light Glaive for Spooky Crypt. It might be tricky to get a ’Glaive at these ranks, so I might have to settle for a lower one. r311~r318 AURA and another u7 Light Glaive. r338 DOOOOOOM weapons for raiding, I guess. r438 Demon Slayer Spear, Bow, or Gun/Demon Slayer Claw for raiding. Any other important ranks I’m missing here? Could Demon Slayer weapons find some more use, or could Dragon Slayer weapons find any use at all that would be optimal? Again, any suggestions are appreciated. :) * * * # Armor. Here’s where common sense gets defenestrated. ~r40 Kana King + u11 Green Armor of Loot for Pyramid. r50 Random skin. :V ~r70 Kana King + u11 Blue Armor of Loot for Frosty Zone and the Special Arena. ~r90 BAoL was the plan initially, but it seemed like it was so close to r120—the stomping grounds of TBG armor—that it would see disappointingly little use there. ~r81 might be a better choice than r70/r72, though. (r120) Technical Battleground armor forever (Festive, specifically, because of the +MP% from the set bonus). r243/248 u30 CHAOS/u7 Defensive with Non-Boss Damage for Spooky Crypt. Gonna use this set to try to get a permanent r251 Immortal Pendant or two and then a lot of EXP. r243/248 u7 Crimson/u7 Knightmare for Secret Dungeon and whatever other anti-idling (besides Spooky Crypting) that I feel like doing. Edit: Or, instead of CM/KM, r263 CM/CHAOS. Really good set bonus, really good tier, and decent rank requirement. Thoughts? (r318 u30) Two sets of CHAOS/CHAOS; one with Non-Boss Damage for Spooky Crypt, and the other with which to idle forever. And maybe some Demon Slayer armor or something to raid with IDK. ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ * * * # Accessories. Immortal Pendant forever. From r120 and onward, MBR earrings of various ranks. r40 Crappy Earrings and Kana Warrior (for the set bonus with the Kana King hat). Gonna look into getting some super low-rank Revolution Earrings to use instead here. r70 Awesome Earrings, because why not? r100~r120 Challenge Medal, eventually. That Kana set bonus is pretty crazy, though. r160~r300 u16 Roflhunter’s Pendants of various ranks, I guess? Immortal Pendant might still be better though, in spite of this pendant’s better stats. r251 u11 Mega Triangle Gem. This sure is gonna be a pain in the rear to get. r350 Ultimate Fighter medal, I guess? I suppose the extra +EXP% would be nice. r400 Gem of Communism. No matter how much I grow to like this trinket, I will always hate it. But it’s the best, so what are you gonna do? * * * Well, that list sure turned out to be way more exhaustive than I expected. Is there anything that I’ve somehow neglected to mention? Also, since inventory space is a bit of a concern (especially for armor sets), I might have to cull some stuff. Once again, any and all constructive criticism and pieces of advice are welcome. Thank you for your patience. :)

You don’t Unlock Spooky Crypt till R250, you might want to rethink that part. You can’t get r250 mega triangle gem, minimum r251. I personally suggest U25 CHAOS/U5 500/500 defensive, as getting U7 perfect stat normal rank collectors pendant drops is rather difficult, I also suggest that over CM/KM, as it has more tiers (both in set bonus and as normal gear). For r200 (and 150) you don’t really need a new weapon, but I can hope in chat and help you with something here at some point (no life stat optimizations and stuff). As you can’t do SC before r250 I suggest that you get a +11 revolution pyrabow (I can help you with your DP build for getting that if you need), this is tier 36 iirc, and better than any other weapon you can use for the ranks. note that a U7 r318 light glaive will be more beneficial in SC than a ToD weapon, so might reconsider that part? And lastly, DS bow and DS gun are both useless for raiding, stick with the spear, it kills faster giving more exp, and TH isn’t really that useful (at all) on a rebirth so the bow will have no benefit. I should change this so it’s not just a huge block of text.

Thanks for the feedback, Mnch. :) > *Originally posted by **[Mnchngrngs](/forums/60/topics/482712?page=2#posts-10425756):*** > > You don’t Unlock Spooky Crypt till R250, you might want to rethink that part. What do you mean? The first set of gear I have laid out for SC is less than r250 so that I can actually use it in SC when I hit r250. I also can’t very well get a r251 Immortal Pendant if my rank is higher than 251.> I personally suggest U25 CHAOS/U5 500/500 defensive, as getting U7 perfect stat normal rank collectors pendant drops is rather difficult, I also suggest that over CM/KM, as it has more tiers (both in set bonus and as normal gear). A lot of the other stuff I’ve done has been “rather difficult,” but that hasn’t stopped me. I care not for such silly things as “common sense.” While indeed u25/u7 Defensive would be higher-tier than CM/KM (by 9 tiers per piece; 11 if I used u30 instead), CHAOS’s 5-item set bonus doesn’t hold a candle anywhere near CM’s 6-item set bonus. It’s 50 tiers of Spawn Rate and 25 tiers of Damage versus 150 tiers of Spawn Rate, 75 of Damage, 60 of EXP%, and 60 of HP%. You were a little bit off the mark there. > For r200 (and 150) you don’t really need a new weapon, but I can hope in chat and help you with something here at some point (no life stat optimizations and stuff). As you can’t do SC before r250 I suggest that you get a +11 revolution pyrabow (I can help you with your DP build for getting that if you need), this is tier 36 iirc, and better than any other weapon you can use for the ranks. I am intrigued. I’ll see what sort of a score in DP I’m able to muster and if the Pyrabow is worth it or not. > note that a U7 r318 light glaive will be more beneficial in SC than a ToD weapon, so might reconsider that part? The ToD weapon would be for Secret Dungeon and Megaboss’s Revenge, not Spooky Crypt. > And lastly, DS bow and DS gun are both useless for raiding, stick with the spear, it kills faster giving more exp, and TH isn’t really that useful (at all) on a rebirth so the bow will have no benefit. Noted. Thanks for your help!

Crimson/CHAOS looks like quite a set. Tier 43 or 45 (depending on whether you use u25 or u30), Crimson’s ridiculously good set bonus, and a rank requirement that’s just a little bit over Secret Dungeon’s. Only problem is that it puts Crimson/Knightmare in no-man’s land. Thoughts? I’m thinking of ditching the CM/KM for the CM/u25 and just using Festive until then.

> *Originally posted by **[E\_102\_Gamma](/forums/60/topics/482712?page=2#posts-10428280):*** > > Crimson/CHAOS looks like quite a set. Tier 43 or 45 (depending on whether you use u25 or u30), Crimson’s ridiculously good set bonus, and a rank requirement that’s just a little bit over Secret Dungeon’s. Only problem is that it puts Crimson/Knightmare in no-man’s land. Thoughts? I’m thinking of ditching the CM/KM for the CM/u25 and just using Festive until then. Sorry for the extreme late answer. Anyway: CM/CHAOS looks a great set, yea. I’ll definitely suggest that set because it’s very nice ^^ Only problem is the lower stats, but shouldn’t be a huge point. Festive may replace CM/KM fine, although set bonus is far worse than CM/KM for Corruption.

Mnch argued that CM/u30’s rank requirement is too awkward and would mean having to switch gear in the middle of SD or something like that. Thoughts? I imagine one would just finish an SD run in Festive and then switch afterward. There’s also the concern of inventory space. Only six sets of armor can fit in the inventory window at once, and that’s if you abandon the use of skins. Having to switch armor sets in and out of storage seems to me like it would be rather cumbersome and potentially not worth the hassle. Am I mistaken? Otherwise, which five sets of armor would you recommend if CM/u30 is one of them?

Stripped Nurse/Newbie, Elitè/Elitè(or Elitè/Spirit or Festive), CM/u30, u30/u30, DS. Just remove CM/KM from the list. About changing gear during a SD run…Mnch has weird ideas, I don’t know why did you believe in him. It basically changes nothing, maybe it’s better because you get stronger in the middle of the run(well, the problem comes when the next armor has less defense, but that’s not the case, I guess).

I don’t understand this rebirth thing. What do you have to do and what are the requirements?

Rebirthing is the BA equivalent of ascending. Nutshell: Get to rank 500, craft a Rebirth Potion, go to Pub, use it, hit button, profit. You start back at rank 40 with increased stat caps and other goodies, but you have to regain all the stats and go back through all the ranks.

Ah, got it. Thank you very much.

This is probably a bit late to the conversation but I would still say you need CM/KM or something of that rank abouts to do corruption. Doing corruption in elite/elite or festive is going to be a bad time (I know, cause I’ve forgotten on occasion to switch out). With Golden gun (or a similar r100 weapon) will lead to your corruption bars falling really far. The CM bow does a good job of 1-2 shotting with maxed charge and the set bonus you get from CM armor as well only adds to the rate at which they die. Not getting that till mid r260s will slow potential corruption exp by a lot (unless you do a TON of SA to get to that point..) Additionally, I found that having 2 sets of u30/u30 were essential for RBs. One with NBD for SC, and one with +attack/hc/dc/mastery for AURA TR idling overnight and other general use. Lastly, as per paths, smetzy did the DP to r70, whereupon you have Special attack and then leave DP for frosty zone. It is faster exp/minute than DP since DP falls off around that point (monsters turn yellow). So you’d do frosty zone from r70—\>r100 to enter SA.

Advice is always welcome. Thanks, bodito. :) Bailing on DP and immediately going straight to Frosty Zone at r70 was the plan. I appreciate the consideration anyway. RIP CM/u30. I guess it wasn’t meant to be.

Monsters in DP are always yellow, as the yellow part is completely related to AITG level(if you’re always at 8999, yellow mobs are all the ones below level 4000). Also, the yellow part does not affect Arena EXP, but only AITG EXP, which doesn’t matter. I could start Frosty Zone at Rank 50 with Reincarnation, but with a proper non-Reinc setup, that should still be possible as the monsters aren’t that strong. AURA TR with HDC on u30/u30? That sounds weird. Did you sacrifice Attack for HDC to keep that stat at 90% and to use Reward buff? Interesting, but a bit risky, I’d say.

Currently outdated, axiss is a scrub and won’t update this, we have been looking into new strats that will be faster and better, ask in chat for more current strats, however if you just want to go at a not god awful speed, the advice here is still good enough.

> *Originally posted by **[Mnchngrngs](/forums/60/topics/482712?page=2#posts-10676768):*** > > Currently outdated, axiss is a scrub and won’t update this, we have been looking into new strats that will be faster and better, ask in chat for more current strats, however if you just want to go at a not god awful speed, the advice here is still good enough. If you don’t know, just 30 minutes BEFORE you joined chat today, I specifically/clearly said soon I’ll do an Alien gear RBs to see how it will go. I can already give some infos about guide update: I won’t change the Main path, but I’ll use the last Reserve to put the Alien path. Why do I put there? It’s due to few reasons: 1. Alien Set requires more farming(Alien Cores, CHAOS ARMOR farm, bit leveling, other things) which makes you lose some time; 2. It’s temporary. The Main path allows you to do RBs fast without having to do a speedrun, which will happen with Alien set. Alien lasts 2 weeks of playtime, and Elitè Alien even worse, 1 week. That will force you to always actively playing to do plenty of RBs, and doesn’t allow you to idle(cause timer goes down). 3. Since that new part of guide will be posted 1.5 years later than the creation of the main/alternative paths, I will ensure players won’t be confused due to Main path changing(which I cannot put as Main due to already mentioned reasons). EDIT: Definitely not in those days due to [a big update on Kong forums](https://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/658446-announcement-extended-forum-downtime-on-8-24-for-an-upgrade) which doesn’t allow users to use forums for a small while. I’ll also have to learn new format etc. ):

Bump. Yes, I'm still alive and with chat's death, we're now in the discord, including me. (https://discord.gg/7Wr4ae5) I can't assure I'll actually get to work on updating the guide. For any questions, the unofficial discord is the perfect place from now on.

Bump again.