Hello Everyone, We have some exciting changes coming soon to Animation Throwdown! **Greater Epic Stones** * A new item called Greater Epic Stone is replacing Epic Stones * Greater Epic Stones reward Epic cards with a chance at a Legendary card * This applies to all places that reward Epic Stones (Mom’s Mystery Box, SFC, Challenges, Rumbles) * Epic Stones that players currently have *will not* be converted into Greater Epic Stones * The card pool for Greater Epic Stones is the same as Epic & Legendary Stones * We aim to have this update live in Throwdown sometime on Tuesday, August 7 **Guild Siege & Mastery Stones** * Guild Siege ranked rewards will contain Mastery Stones and Legendary Stones * This change is also aimed for Tuesday, August 7 * Updated rewards: | SIEGE WIN | | | | | | | SIEGE LOSS | | | | | |-|-|-|-|-|-|-| | Rank | Tier | Golden Turds |Watts |Coins | Leg Stones | Mastery Stones | Golden Turds | Watts | Coins | Leg Stones | Mastery Stones | |1 |1 | 8000 |1500 |10000 |1000 |2500 |800 |150 |1000 |100 |250 | |2 |2 | 6000 |1000 |9000 |750 |2500 |600 |100 |900 |75 |250 | |3 |3 | 5000 |800 |8000 |750 |2500 |500 |80 |800 |75 |250 | |4 - 10 |4 | 3500 |450 |7000 |750 |2500 |350 |45 |700 |75 |250 | |11 - 25 |5 | 3000 |400 |6000 |500 |2000 |300 |40 |600 |50 |200 | |26 - 50 |6 | 2500 |350 |5000 |500 |2000 |250 |35 |500 |50 |200 | |51 - 75 |7 | 2000 |300 |5000 |500 |2000 |200 |30 |500 |50 |200 | |76 - 100 |8 | 1600 |250 |5000 |500 |2000 |160 |25 |500 |50 |200 | |101 - 200 |9 | 1400 |150 |5000 |100 |1000 |140 |15 |500 |10 |100 | |201 - 300 |10 | 1250 |100 |5000 |100 |1000 |125 |10 |500 |10 |100 | |301 - 500 |11 | 1100 |80 |5000 |100 |1000 |110 |8 |500 |10 |100 | |501 - 1000 |12 | 1000 |60 |5000 |100 |500 |100 |6 |500 |10 |50 | |1001 - 2000 |13 | 900 |40 |5000 |100 |500 |90 |4 |500 |10 |50 | |2001 - 3500 |14 | 800 |25 |5000 |100 |500 |80 |2.5 |500 |10 |50 | |3501 - 5000 |15 | 700 |20 |5000 |100 |500 |70 |2 |500 |10 |50 | |5001 - 10000 |16 | 600 |15 |5000 |100 |500 |60 |1.5 |500 |10 |50 | **Join a Guild Quest** * The Join a Guild Quest will now award 200 Gems upon completion. * Anyone who completed the quest previously but is not in a guild when the change goes live will be able to receive the reward after completing the quest again. * The quest will auto-complete for anyone that is in a guild when the change is implemented. Questions? Comments? Please share here!

If the legendary stone pool is the same then this really isn’t that great. Legendary stones already have a 100% chance for a legendary card. If the goal is to fix the epic card problem then yes it is a good idea but was their really a need to have a greater epic stone? The devs simply could have just made it so epic Stones when turned in have a chance at a legendary. This still does not address the issue of adding more to the stone pool. Right now about 25% of the legendary cards are available through stones, 12 character cards are Mythics and 15 are legendary. This is why you see many of the same type of decks. Lack of card diversity Typos will be fixed later

More new cards and combos for old cards not just bge related you release the challenges like when the game came out and have a option to use the old sound effects

What's a guild quest?

how about adding some exp for the 11-15lvl hero quests? right now we're all stuck at 15 so no diversity here..

Could so the samething with the epic power stones.

I think those changes are great ModchiKopi, thanks for let us know in advance. Specially for F2P players! > > *Originally posted by **[MerkedYa](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766734)**:* > Could so the samething with the epic power stones. This should be really great too! "Greater Power Stone". I suppose the developers should implement a card pool for it but it definitely should be great. Regards.

Next can you do something about the Power Stone pool I've been playing since the first month and have quadded all 12 of those cards and would like to see some new ones added because I have no intention of keeping any duplicates of them as they are not very useful anyway. But thankyou very much for the upcoming changes though it's definitely going to widen the gap between the top 25 and the the rest of us.

> *Originally posted by **[instinct3334](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766723)**:* > What's a guild quest? It's just a quest to join a guild. If you're not in a guild when the update goes live, you'll see it pop up as a new quest. All you have to do is join a guild to complete it. If you're already in a guild when the change goes live, you'll automatically complete it and get your 200 gem reward. > Other suggestions / Requests Great feedback, of course! I do think we should keep this thread on-topic and related to the announcement. I'll make notes about these requests/suggestions on our internal list. But, if there is something that you see as a top priority/concern, please take a look at the new [3 Things You'd Like to See Added to Throwdown](http://www.kongregate.com/forums/727066-general/topics/1694253-official-3-things-youd-like-to-see-added-or-changed-to-throwdown) thread and share. Thanks!

Maybe instead of making a "new version" of epic stones to replace the "old version" , just change the card chance from 100% epic to 75% epic and 25% legendary.

And Why have a "Greater" version of stones if the normal version won't be available anymore?

> *Originally posted by **[player6662](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766779)**:* > And Why have a "Greater" version of stones if the normal version won't be available anymore? Probably because they know there's a lot of players with a sizeable reserve of unspent Epic Stones. For example I just hit 100k. If they just improved the existing Epic Stones, they'd be rewarding players like me who've been hoarding them while disadvantaging players who've been spending them all along. Making a changeover from Epic Stone to Greater Epic Stones puts all players on an equal footing to reap the rewards of Greater Epic Stones.

Are the old epic stones going to expire, if so I have a lot of button mashing to do.......

what will happen to our existing stones

> *Originally posted by **[JustinF108](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12767473)**:* > what will happen to our existing stones Nothing.

*The card pool for Greater Epic Stones is the same as Epic & Legendary Stones* Even more fart schools and tinas! yay

> *Originally posted by **[El_Chupanibre](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766661)**:* > > If the goal is to fix the epic card problem then yes it is a good idea but was their really a need to have a greater epic stone? The devs simply could have just made it so epic Stones when turned in have a chance at a legendary. actually it's better this way in my opinion. Since no official ever mentioned this would ever happen I always cashed in my epic stones (es) for rewards. So if es suddenly had a chance of giving a leg card everyone who saved them would get several leg cards and those who spent them wouldn't

> *Originally posted by **[MunkehWildfire](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12767544)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[JustinF108](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12767473)**:* > > what will happen to our existing stones > > Nothing. So, what's the point of having "Greater" epic stones, then? To make our toolbox even more cluttered? This seems like a cosmetic fix to a systemic problem, and one that causes one problem while trying to solve another. A better solution would be to phase in a chance at legends from epic stones at a graduated rate. Just step up the chance by 1% each week until you hit the final percentage chance. That way, you won't get a flood of legends to the stone-hoarders, and you don't leave players with a pile of 995 useless stones in their toolbox.

A practical question: since existing epic stones will not be converted, what will happen to the remains when we cash them in? People hardly have a perfectly rounded number of them (for example my count is 306832). Could at least the remainder (832) be converted into greater stones? That would hardly disadvantage anyone while completely removing the item from the toolbox (and is better than deleting them outright).

Why not add ALL legendary cards and ALL epic cards in stone pool? What the hell is the problem? EDIT: As I meant adding ALL PREMIUM CARDS?! CMon I need premium characters bruh, my unfused fry wont go anywhere nor unfused hank.

> *Originally posted by **[sportakus1](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12768068)**:* > Why not add ALL legendary cards and ALL epic cards in stone pool? What the hell is the problem? > > EDIT: As I meant adding ALL PREMIUM CARDS?! CMon I need premium characters bruh, my unfused fry wont go anywhere nor unfused hank. I'm not sure all legendary cards being added to the pool would be good. there are more than 200 by now and getting 2 copies of the same card would be very unlikely

@modchi - can we do this for epic power stones as well? I'd love the slight chance to get Legendary PC's with my arena rewards.

> *Originally posted by **[player6662](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766779)**:* > And Why have a "Greater" version of stones if the normal version won't be available anymore? > *Originally posted by **[LoonyLizard](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12768046)**:* > So, what's the point of having "Greater" epic stones, then? @Crimsontiger was correct in their reply to these questions: > there's a lot of players with a sizeable reserve of unspent Epic Stones. > Making a changeover from Epic Stone to Greater Epic Stones puts all players on an equal footing to reap the rewards of Greater Epic Stones. Thank you! > *Originally posted by **[ErnieDgiantchkn](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766960)**:* > Are the old epic stones going to expire, if so I have a lot of button mashing to do....... At this time, there are no plans to make current Epic Stones expire. > *Originally posted by **[sportakus1](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12768068)**:* > Why not add ALL legendary cards and ALL epic cards in stone pool? What the hell is the problem? The pools are segmented for several reasons including (but not limited to) economy, premium card value, and the ability to collect multiple copies of a card that is needed. Certainly adding the possibility to get any card would be nice in some ways, but it would also heavily dilute the pool making it even hard to get multiple copies of a card that is needed. I agree that a change is needed to give players more access to more cards and different cards. There are some plans in the works to address this concern, though it is not likely that the card pools will change as drastically/simply as making all cards possible from stone pulls. > *Originally posted by **[del23850730_1065](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12768571)**:* > @modchi - can we do this for epic power stones as well? I'd love the slight chance to get Legendary PC's with my arena rewards. Good suggestion that I'll pass on to the devs, thanks! > *Originally posted by **[El_Vanja](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12768064)**:* > A practical question: since existing epic stones will not be converted, what will happen to the remains when we cash them in? People hardly have a perfectly rounded number of them (for example my count is 306832). Could at least the remainder (832) be converted into greater stones? That would hardly disadvantage anyone while completely removing the item from the toolbox (and is better than deleting them outright). We're aware that some players will be left with up to 999 Epic Stones; we are discussing possible solutions to this but I don't have explicit details on that just yet.

I disagree with the pool being diluted with more cards as I have outlined in detail in another thread how to make the pool better odds. The game has been out for nearly 2 years. The pool is already getting expanded each time but I see very little in terms of deck diversity. As for Premium Cardsthere are many cards considered premium that aren’t worth it. This thread is just about stones but there are a lot of issues with this game. That being said I don’t think Kong should have to cater to free players, make it reasonable to get all of the cards even if it takes a long time. The game is subtitled Quest for cards and if someone plays for free for 2 years, they should be able to obtain most cards. Let me add a question as well. All of the cards are in the SEP. is that pool not diluted as well? Golden Turds aren’t a good way either because the pool still has more cards than the stone pools. At least expanding the pools and dividing them by show would help players get what they want. It would still not guarantee but players would have more cards.