>chance to get Legendary PC's I think it's not gonna happen because the epic PCs are trash and the leg PCs are OP (and will be even more when the combo mastery will start to apply to them).

Siege rewards: there is a big drop from <100 to >100 ranking for the newly added prizes. Could you not have staggered the new rewards at different tiers? The guild I'm in occasionally wins in the under 100 fights, but always wins our 100+ battles. We will usually be getting 400 (80%) fewer leg stones and 1000 (50%) fewer mastery tokens from our wins, both of which are the biggest declines among all tiers for both prizes. Even the difference between 1st and 2nd place is smaller than these numbers, both in % and total value. This seems to be a very steep drop for an arbitrary number. Any chance they could be tweaked to lessen the severity of the drop?

So should we spend our current Epic stones or not?

> _Originally posted by **[NathanV417](/forums/726779/topics/1694283?page=2#12768836):**_ > Siege rewards: there is a big drop from <100 to >100 ranking for the newly added prizes. Could you not have staggered the new rewards at different tiers? The guild I'm in occasionally wins in the under 100 fights, but always wins our 100+ battles. We will usually be getting 400 (80%) fewer leg stones and 1000 (50%) fewer mastery tokens from our wins, both of which are the biggest declines among all tiers for both prizes. Even the difference between 1st and 2nd place is smaller than these numbers, both in % and total value. This seems to be a very steep drop for an arbitrary number. Any chance they could be tweaked to lessen the severity of the drop? The only change that Siege needed was to get the amount of prizes for the ranking that you reach. It makes no sense that if you are number 2 and beat #1 that you get the 2nd place points and then to get the first place points you have to win again. At the minimum 2 guilds should compete for the same amount

> _Originally posted by **[ysteichman](/forums/726779/topics/1694283?page=2#12768858):**_ > So should we spend our current Epic stones or not? Current, regular epic stones will neither change nor be deleted, so it's really up to you what you want to do with them.

Thanks for the heads up. I agree with El chupanibre's view of card pool expansion.

Good changes. Thumbs up!

> *Originally posted by **[crimsontiger](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766824)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[player6662](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766779)**:* > > And Why have a "Greater" version of stones if the normal version won't be available anymore? > > Probably because they know there's a lot of players with a sizeable reserve of unspent Epic Stones. For example I just hit 100k. If they just improved the existing Epic Stones, they'd be rewarding players like me who've been hoarding them while disadvantaging players who've been spending them all along. Making a changeover from Epic Stone to Greater Epic Stones puts all players on an equal footing to reap the rewards of Greater Epic Stones. That doesn't make sense to me. People who made the decision to cash them in got immediate rewards (even if only GW) and they made that decision knowing full well that there could be a change to the stone pools in the future. People who have been hoarding them decided to put off immediate gratification for possible greater rewards in the future. Why shouldn't the latter group be rewarded? It isn't as if the chance for a legendary card is going to be meaningful anyway, so the reward is minor.

I don't think that's why people put off cashing them in, and also let's say the percentage is 25%, someone who hasn't cashed in their epic stones and has 100,000 epic stones now gets 25 free legendary cards, that doesn't seem fair. There wasn't any idea of this change, and it wasn't hinted at in any way.

> *Originally posted by **[WsKR](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=2#12771599)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[crimsontiger](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766824)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[player6662](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=1#12766779)**:* > > > And Why have a "Greater" version of stones if the normal version won't be available anymore? > > > > Probably because they know there's a lot of players with a sizeable reserve of unspent Epic Stones. For example I just hit 100k. If they just improved the existing Epic Stones, they'd be rewarding players like me who've been hoarding them while disadvantaging players who've been spending them all along. Making a changeover from Epic Stone to Greater Epic Stones puts all players on an equal footing to reap the rewards of Greater Epic Stones. > > > That doesn't make sense to me. People who made the decision to cash them in got immediate rewards (even if only GW) and they made that decision knowing full well that there could be a change to the stone pools in the future. People who have been hoarding them decided to put off immediate gratification for possible greater rewards in the future. Why shouldn't the latter group be rewarded? It isn't as if the chance for a legendary card is going to be meaningful anyway, so the reward is minor. Ok, while his explanation wont satisfy you, lets explain it in general way how all devs do it on multiplayer mobile games like this one. Devs priority is people who is active and spends often, that means if its either in-game premium currency buyed with irl money or gained special currency that rewards you something, people/players want to get stuff quickly as possible and there isnt majority of people who saves stuff (except whales, they have everything so they keep it, but if they have everything, they have point to save it rather than people who rarely spends irl money and saves stuff), this is kinda like a trend thing. something something you wouldnt understand my post unless you paid attention on most mobile games and played most of them.

While you are looking at sieges, can you update how matches are determined? About half the sieges my guild is in are extremely one sided, indicating that we are facing a significantly stronger/more active or weaker/less active guild. Winning or losing should be based on how well we do, not on who was selected as our opponent.

After this rolls out, please be aware that power stones will now be the worst stones. They still only give out the old epic challenge cards as prizes. If ppl weren't already hoarding them due to disuse, they will be now. It's hard to find anywhere to use them even as quads, and I still maintain Congo jack is the worst pc ever made.

The Greater Epic Stones sound like a good idea to me. They should really help F2P get a few more legendary cards too.

Question: Will our old epics stones ever expire? I'm not expecting to have an exact multiple of 1000 stones when the change happens, so what will happen about that 752 epic stones in my toolbox that I can't spend?

So what happens to existing epic stones?

**NJSimons**, **mattgfcissom2** just read the modchi's post on the first page (second to last).

With the giggitywatt converter, it would seem like converting to giggitywatts is the answer. Btw, the 306,000 ES converts to 7650 GW after recycling. That's 350 legendary stones and 7 chances at legendaries via the converter.

Please fix old cards and combos.Some of them are too weak.That's unfair to the old pkayers.

We don't Need epic stones So can we use 5000 epic stones to be 1000 legendary stones?

I'm not sure if this was covered: Will Epic stones still exist as currency that can be earned, or will we now receive Greater Epic stones in all the same places instead? Meaning, the old Epic stones can be spent but can no longer be earned?

> *Originally posted by **[7b38Ax5r](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=2#12777790)**:* > I'm not sure if this was covered: Will Epic stones still exist as currency that can be earned, or will we now receive Greater Epic stones in all the same places instead? Meaning, the old Epic stones can be spent but can no longer be earned? 'This applies to all places that reward Epic Stones (Mom’s Mystery Box, SFC, Challenges, Rumbles)'

> *Originally posted by **[Evil_Foot](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=2#12777811)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[7b38Ax5r](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=2#12777790)**:* > > I'm not sure if this was covered: Will Epic stones still exist as currency that can be earned, or will we now receive Greater Epic stones in all the same places instead? Meaning, the old Epic stones can be spent but can no longer be earned? > > 'This applies to all places that reward Epic Stones (Mom’s Mystery Box, SFC, Challenges, Rumbles)' and what's left after you've spent your last 1000 old epic stones will remain in your inventory

Well, the changelog said that the greater epic stones was pushed. But I've still got regular stones now for a non-ref challenge that ended today. When the greater stones will be given?

> *Originally posted by **[podzaborom](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=2#12778118)**:* > Well, the changelog said that the greater epic stones was pushed. But I've still got regular stones now for a non-ref challenge that ended today. When the greater stones will be given? The next challenge after challenge that ended just today includes greater epic stones in rewards

I just got my reward from the challenges and it contained epic stones instead of the new greater epic stones. I am getting the greater epic stones in SFC though. @Modchi, your post says it will replace ALL places where epic stones are given.