> *Originally posted by **[podzaborom](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=2#12778118)**:* > Well, the changelog said that the greater epic stones was pushed. But I've still got regular stones now for a non-ref challenge that ended today. When the greater stones will be given? They're now live - the current challenges show them as rewards and I've just got some for an SFC win - todays rewards must have been the last ones for the old stones Browning

Are the 2 new quests, play a siege battle and play a rumble battle, one time or available for every event? Thanks for the new gems Kong!

Pretty sure its one time.

Another missed opportunity.. There was talk about combining pc and leg stones.. where is that? Greater epic stones adds another luck factor to the game.. would you pull up my record for the last 25 turd packs and seps.... i think i got two legs out of that,, it is disheartening.. if i wasnt so close to crafting a mythic i probably would have quit.. And now they are adding another chance thing... Update: I had an arena run a couple of months ago. Had over a thousand wins in three days arena... gave me a lot of the old epic stones. So i feel like i have been stolen out of a few legs.. Just saying that whatever change you make hurts players decisions from the past.. I would have preferred an epic stones convertor for epic pc, legs or even pc legs.. the card you get would still be chance , but at least you would know the colour. instead of chance. Look

Chances for legendary cards on Greater Epic stones should be increase

I have 995 old epic stones. I’m not upset, but are they now useless?

Can the siege rewards be a bit tweaked please? Atm everyone in top 100 gets 500 leg stones and everyone higher 100. Surely there should be a difference if I win a siege in a guild on rank 110 or, let’s say 2000?

> *Originally posted by **[jb_fxt](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778124)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[podzaborom](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=2#12778118)**:* > > Well, the changelog said that the greater epic stones was pushed. But I've still got regular stones now for a non-ref challenge that ended today. When the greater stones will be given? > > They're now live - the current challenges show them as rewards and I've just got some for an SFC win - todays rewards must have been the last ones for the old stones > Indeed, it's live now and you may have gotten in a win just barely before the update populated for you. > *Originally posted by **[mkesaber](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778137)**:* > Are the 2 new quests, play a siege battle and play a rumble battle, one time or available for every event? > > Thanks for the new gems Kong! Both Quests are a one-time completion for all players. > *Originally posted by **[KrisV66](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778175)**:* > Another missed opportunity.. > There was talk about combining pc and leg stones.. where is that? > Greater epic stones adds another luck factor to the game.. would you pull up my record for the last 25 turd packs and seps.... i think i got two legs out of that,, it is disheartening.. if i wasnt so close to crafting a mythic i probably would have quit.. And now they are adding another chance thing... > > Update: > I had an arena run a couple of months ago. Had over a thousand wins in three days arena... gave me a lot of the old epic stones. > So i feel like i have been stolen out of a few legs.. > Just saying that whatever change you make hurts players decisions from the past.. > I would have preferred an epic stones convertor for epic pc, legs or even pc legs.. > the card you get would still be chance , but at least you would know the colour. instead of chance. Every change to the game goes through a rigorous analysis of their impact on balance, economy, current state of the game, and development time required. I don't believe anything about combining PC and Legendary Stones was confirmed as a potential update, but if so I apologize for any confusion. Unfortunately, we don't typically compensate for what players have achieved previously after an update is made to the game. The decision to replace Epic Stones where they drop rather than convert existing stones has very much to do with the quantity of them currently in player inventories. Players who hoarded would have been unfairly rewarded over those who did not. Had it been implemented the other way around, just as many players would be upset that they weren't told to hold onto their stones for a future update. I certainly understand the frustration, but it was decided that this method would be fairer and have a lesser impact on the current economy. > *Originally posted by **[Bagopickles](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778224)**:* > I have 995 old epic stones. I’m not upset, but are they now useless? The support team and dev team are working on a solution to this, I hope to have more news to share very soon. > *Originally posted by **[Whatevs29](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778233)**:* > Can the siege rewards be a bit tweaked please? Atm everyone in top 100 gets 500 leg stones and everyone higher 100. > > Surely there should be a difference if I win a siege in a guild on rank 110 or, let’s say 2000? The devs frequently reevaluate the state of the game and look for opportunities to tweak rewards; thank you for the suggestion!

Was the drop rate for stones in SFC changed? I was seeing stones every 3-4 wins. I haven’t seen a stone in the last 12-15 wins today. VIP running during both. And since I haven’t seen any is the amount about same 20-50 stones? Or a reduced amount? Just curious.

I just got 34 GES for a win in SFC so I'm guessing the amount has not changed Drew

> _Originally posted by **[ModchiKopi](/forums/726779/topics/1694283?page=1#12766649):**_ > ... So what happens to the epic stones I already have? Like 800+ . Since they can't be converted and I can't earn more, am I just supposed to lose what I have earned?

> *Originally posted by **[Yeild](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778332)**:* > > So what happens to the epic stones I already have? Like 800+ . Since they can't be converted and I can't earn more, am I just supposed to lose what I have earned? Please seee ModchiKopi's earlier response. http://www.kongregate.com/forums/727066-general/topics/1694283-official-greater-epic-stones-siege-reward-changes-and-more?page=3#posts-12778263 >>I have 995 old epic stones. I’m not upset, but are they now useless? > >The support team and dev team are working on a solution to this, I hope to have more news to share very soon

Couldn't you do same thing with epic PC stones? And you could rotate stones with the gt pool? People need legendary PCs!

Saw that the new Siege rewards (with the extra Combo Mastery stones and Legendary Stones) were given to anyone who waited until today to redeem. I guess it's a nice bonus for those folks.

> _Originally posted by **[werenarc](/forums/726779/topics/1694283?page=3#12778344):**_ > > *Originally posted by **[Yeild](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778332)**:* > > > > So what happens to the epic stones I already have? Like 800+ . Since they can't be converted and I can't earn more, am I just supposed to lose what I have earned? > > Please seee ModchiKopi's earlier response. > > http://www.kongregate.com/forums/727066-general/topics/1694283-official-greater-epic-stones-siege-reward-changes-and-more?page=3#posts-12778263 > > >>I have 995 old epic stones. I’m not upset, but are they now useless? > > > >The support team and dev team are working on a solution to this, I hope to have more news to share very soon > Thanks. Guess I didn't look through all the posts carefully enough.

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First of all, I would like to applaud you for your changes to the Siege rewards and thank you for the 400 gems from the new quests. With the introduction of these Greater Epic Stones, I appreciate the fact that you are finally addressing a long lamented issue - the fact that Epic Stones are completely useless to practically everyone who has reached SFC, but unfortunately, you are still WAY off with your improvements. Greater Epic Stones are fine for Challenge rewards because beginners and lower-level players can use them, but for players who have progressed to SFC, they are almost as useless as regular Epic Stones. Even if you straight up swapped Epic Stones for Legendary Stones in SFC it wouldn't be enough. If you were to swap the Epic Stones for Legendary Stones AND give these stones a 5% chance of turning into mythic stones, that would be a more realistic reward. Consider this: (I may be a little off on the drop rates, but I'm definitely in the ballpark.) 25 to 50 stones every 6 or 7 wins (about every 10 battles) is only going to get you about 75 stones per day IF you play 20 arena battles per day. As it stands, those stones are Greater Epic Stones which, assuming a 10% chance for a Legendary Card will net you one Legendary card every 133 days (about 4 1/2 months), along with some Giggitywatts. If those stones became Legendary Stones, you would get one Legendary Card every 13 days. Not exactly a game changer, especially considering they come from the Stone Pool where you could get your 9th copy of Bunny Costume. If the stones had a 5% chance to turn into Mythic Stones, it wouldn't exactly be game changing either - odds are you would get about 113 Mythic Stones per month from SFC. It would still take nearly nine months to collect 1000 Mythic Stones from arena play. With twelve Mythic Cards now (and presumably soon to be 15), the game has changed from when there were only five. This would not threaten the P2W players by any stretch, but would give a little more hope to VIP and F2P players that they can be a little more competitive. Many of us spend hours every day playing this game, please make the rewards for doing so more palatable.

> *Originally posted by **[ModchiKopi](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778263)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[Bagopickles](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778224)**:* > > I have 995 old epic stones. I’m not upset, but are they now useless? > > The support team and dev team are working on a solution to this, I hope to have more news to share very soon. > Possible solutions: 1. Give every player that have nonzero amount of Epic Stones enough stones to complete nearest thousand stones (in this case the player would receive 5 Epic Stones) to let players convert them to Epic cards. But in this case players still could hold their Epic Stones like forever. 2. Convert all Epic Stones to another low-level in-game currency like GW or Coins. It will completely eliminate Epic Stones from the game with no efforts from players.

> _Originally posted by **[ChillingTouch](/forums/726779/topics/1694283?page=3#12779647):**_ > > *Originally posted by **[ModchiKopi](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778263)**:* > > > > > *Originally posted by **[Bagopickles](/forums/727066/topics/1694283?page=3#12778224)**:* > > > I have 995 old epic stones. I’m not upset, but are they now useless? > > > > The support team and dev team are working on a solution to this, I hope to have more news to share very soon. > > > > Possible solutions: > 1. Give every player that have nonzero amount of Epic Stones enough stones to complete nearest thousand stones (in this case the player would receive 5 Epic Stones) to let players convert them to Epic cards. But in this case players still could hold their Epic Stones like forever. > 2. Convert all Epic Stones to another low-level in-game currency like GW or Coins. It will completely eliminate Epic Stones from the game with no efforts from players. > > I don't mind my epic stones being converted to mythic stones if that would be easier ;) LMAO

I took a day off and got my siege rewards today with the mastery stones and stuff. I'm sure the rest of my guild would have like to have them too.