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Hello everyone , my question is the title .
So far , i like Archon very much due to being simple and doing pretty good with his persistent spell but does the other classes outscale it in the higher range of myst ?
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desolator was the one who could outscale it in the beta dont know because the tweaks and changes in 1.05
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At e800+ in realm 1 the final power rank (in 0.93, but still valid in 1.0) is: shaman >> desolator >> temporalist > archon > oni >> heretic.
In realm 2+ it's too soon to tell.
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What kind of gear and memory spread would you go for with Shaman? Still grinding out e700 on realm change 1 with Desolator. I think I want to bank a full 1e5 memories this time before realm change 2 so I can get the seventh god on the next go round.
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My thought is with Archon you get logarithmic XP => linear level gains with exponential spell casts on geometric growth in persistent casts-per-casts with the Memory boost that multiplies persistence stacking. It all flows well, with the Pet leveling boost that results from each higher character level and the various pet benefits, there is room. It's a slow way to scale Archon indefinitely but it definitely leaves the class with long periods of slow growth that can be psychologically unsatisfying. Probably the devs need to re-buff Archon in interesting ways, they massively de-buffed it back in 2018 by taking away the trick where you could power up the Arcanist's weapon for the evo boost and then use the bonus from a powered up Abolisher weapon swapped into your inventory (but the bonus still worked). It was good game design to prune that since it was such a non-intuitive way to burst, but it hasn't made up the gap since.
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> *Originally posted by **[Dirich13](/forums/727203/topics/1895103?page=1#13345139)**:*
> At e800+ in realm 1 the final power rank (in 0.93, but still valid in 1.0) is: shaman >> desolator >> temporalist > archon > oni >> heretic.
> In realm 2+ it's too soon to tell.
How the heck could you even get to e800 in realm 1 with only Deso? just mass stacking a buttload of enchantments and catalysts I guess?
I haven't personally tested things thoroughly, but I feel like Archon —or at least _something_ aside from ~~druid~~ shaman— beats out deso in e800+, or at least after many realms.
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Oni, because of Pit Lord generates mana every 30 seconds equal to:
M^1.01 × (30 + 75 × log10(P))
where:
M = current Mana per second
P = Pet ability modifier
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Temporalist , because of the spell "Quasi-Incantation" has "...C^1.5..." in its formula.
So, if you use correctly 6 incantations in bursts -- stacking cast Quasi-Incantation will make you C^9 times stronger.
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Also, Temporalist grows profits with "character played time" and "skipped time" in Temporalist's formula :
" ... T^2.15 ... S^1.78 ... "
and grows Evocation efficiency , the same , by :
" ... T^0.5 ... S^1.15 ... "
Where :
T = Character play time
S = Skipped time
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2.15 + 1.78 + 0.5 + 1.15 = 5.58
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So, if you are stacking casts the spell "Refined Wormhole" with the spell "Temporal Distortion" correctly and using the weapon item "Temporal Stabilizer" , then you become T^5.58 times stronger.
Also the spell "Superposition" has 'T^0.5' in its formula, so, actually you become not T^5.58 , but T^6.08 times stronger.
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Also the spells : "Ritual Of Power" , "True Sorsery" , "Ley Overdrive" have 'C^0.45' , 'C^0.85' , 'C^0.75' in their formulas respectively.
0.45 + 0.85 + 0.75 = 2.05
So , stacking casts of these spells , with time , will make you C^2.05 times stronger.
Note : stacking cast of the spell "Superposition" is almost useless , because of logarithm ' log() ' in its formula.
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As a result , we have the growth power of : 9 + 6.08 + 2.05 = 16.13 (without pet's benefits and weapon's and other stuffs' / bonuses from attributes)
So , if you can make N mana in a 1 day run , then you will can make atleast N * 2^16.03 mana in a 2 days run.
Temporalist has the biggest growth rate in the game and the biggest benefits from long runs at high mysterie levels !
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> *Originally posted by **[Stalwart](/forums/727203/topics/1895103?page=1#13399656)**:*
> Temporalist , because of the spell "Quasi-Incantation" has "...C^1.5..." in its formula.
>Oni, because of Pit Lord generates mana every 30 seconds equal to:
This sort of reasoning is cherry-picking/tunnel-vision and is generally quite erroneous. Things are far more complicated than just looking at some things that have good numerical scaling. Basic exponential growth isn't really good enough in this game; you want like super exponential growth.
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Okay. What Class/Pet/Spell combinations do you know of that will give this superexponential growth? Right now, I've got nada.
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