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> *Originally posted by **[Gaminic](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=16#11400388)**:*
> I think the "unupdated mobile version" sort of cuts away any possible interest in that info. Sounds cool though; that version sounds like a ton of fun to mess around with.
>
> Can anyone explain the choice of Demon A2950 in the FUDG build? I don't feel like that many things scale off of Trophy count. The only Research I spot is W135 but the build doesn't include it. I've been using it because it gives me an extra tier for SB. Also, AN2 seems like a very weak upgrade, though I haven't been pre-running much (not necessary yet at my level).
Read the Halls of Legends upgrades, one of them gives a MASSIVE boost to other buildings based on trophies.
> *Originally posted by **[pmpch](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=16#11399610)**:*
> > *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=14#11370120)**:*
> > An attempt at a low gem, no GB11 build to gain gems with mercenary:
> >
> > **Dwarven Buster R77-78**
> >
> > Author: Necrodoom
> >
> > Faction: Neutral Mercenary
> >
> > Bloodline: Undead
> >
> > A2950: Dwarf
> >
> > Range: e86 (100 Spvg) - e93 (1 Tg) gems
> >
> > EL3,EL7,AN5,GB7,TT3,TT6,DD6,FC7,DN2,DG3,DG4,DG9,SP:Fairy Chanting,SP:Dragon's Breath
> >
> > S215,S305,S330,S460,S1450,S1500,
> > C340,C400,C590,C1300,C1500,C3000,
> > D25,D245,D590,D1275,D1375,D2775,
> > E135,E145,E350,E460,E590,E1425,
> > A105,A120,A175,A495,A1500,A2950,
> > W25,W150,W180,W290,W320,W400
> >
> > Very rough and would like critique.
>
>
> EL3,EL7,AN5,GB4,GB7,TT3,TT6,FC7,DN2,DG3,DG4,DG9,SP:Fairy Chanting,SP:Dragon's Breath
>
> S215,S305,S330,S460,S1450,S1500,
> C340,C400,C590,C1300,C1500,C3000,
> D25,D245,D590,D1275,D1375,D2775,
> E135,E145,E350,E590,E1225,E1425,
> A105,A120,A150,A175,A250,A2950,
> W25,W150,W180,W290,W400,W3150
>
> This is the version that gave me the most production. I'll see if I can start it at E84-5 next R. Since it doesn't need any Gb11, it should be a nice entry merc build.
>
>
Works like a charm at pretty low gems!
At around e90-e91 you can upgrade to:
S215,S305,S330,S460,S1450,S1500,
C340,C400,C590,C1300,C1500,C3000,
D25,D245,D590,D1275,D1375,D2775,
E135,E145,E260,E590,E1425,E3250,
A105,A120,A175,A1200,A1500,A2950,
W150,W180,W290,W400,W3050,W3150
You'll need to load the template several times (E3250 unlocks), but setup is really quick.
> *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=17#11402281)**:*
> R81 build is probably not too useful as Rastan's build seems to be better at this point, and GB11 is even faster.
Absolutely; my goal (just like yours) with the "later" version of the build is to provide a non-GB11 alternative. You'll have to run the GB11 prep eventually, but this gives you some flexibility in the timing of it. In my eyes, that's much more useful than the R81+ version of FlowerGhouls build on the main post that requires more gems to run than any of the nonGB11 builds would get you.
Took around 15mins at E85.5 (2 gifts, 80 rubies). I'd say E86 is recommended for a quick start. CtA at 6, get FC and GG to level 2, put everything on Silver and TC on gold. One or two rotations should do it.
> *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=17#11402281)**:*
> Updated to
> **Dwarven Buster R77-78**
> EL3,EL7,AN5,GB7,TT3,TT6,DD4,FC7,DN2,DG3,DG4,DG9,SP:Fairy Chanting,SP:Dragon's Breath
What is the reason for DD4 over GB4 (which is close to 100% prod) ?
The main concern for an entry level merc build (at E86) is reaching the coin threshold of E125 coins quickly.
> *Originally posted by **[Hyppy](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=1#11297360)**:*
> ## "Flower Ghoul" - R81+ GB11 unlock build version by [Myainsel](https://www.kongregate.com/forums/8945-realm-grinder/topics/785317-mercenary-gb11-unlock-build#posts-11303151)
>
> Same deal, get rolling then go offline.
>
> Neutral, Undead Lineage, Druid A2950.
> Mercenaries:
> FR9,EL3,AN3,AN6,DD4,DD6,FC7,DN2,DN8,DG3,DG4,DG7,SP:Dragon's Breath,SP:Fairy Chanting
> Research:
> S180,S215,S305,S330,S1450,S1500,
> C250,C340,C400,C590,C1325,C3000,
> D25,D245,D250,D1275,D1375,D2775,
> E135,E350,E460,E590,E1425,E3250,
> A120,A250,A305,A1200,A1500,A2950,
> W180,W275,W400,W1375,W3050,W3150
>
So, now that you can get e100 quite easily with Necrodoom's pre-GB11 builds and its variants, I've been looking at this build. It's not really optimal, you can swap a few low value upgrades out (C250, A305, E350) for extra assistants since you're aiming for mana regen only. All in all it takes about 15minutes at this point, whereas the "low level" version takes over an hour for me. I'm still not sure you actually save time (the last run took me about 20min for the last e1 up), but it's an option.
> *Originally posted by **[Lotr99](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=15#11381629)**:*
> > *Originally posted by **[Freetochangeit](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=15#11381603)**:*
> > Why is D525 used in FUDG instead of D1375? On mobile (2.7.0) D1375 is about 1700% while D525 increases HL from 600% to 3000-4000% after a "reasonable" number of spell casts. Doesn't it make more sense to use an instant 18x multiplier than a potential 7+x multiplier?
>
> merc building upgrade makes TC a faction spell. You need to factor in the additional 80M spell casts that you can generate after 8 hours or so (Don't remember who mentioned that its 80M cast in 8 hours. Dealt with whether or not it's that important not to fully cast during those hours vs just FC1, DB6, TC.)
I've been looking at D525 and I'm a bit confused. The wiki says that the formula is 300 * x^0.3 where x is faction spells cast. But currently the tooltip for it only shows 94.3% With that formula even with only 1 spell cast it should be 300%
Is that formula completely wrong or is the tool tip lying?
> *Originally posted by **[ledgerama](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=17#11406174)**:*
> > *Originally posted by **[Lotr99](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=15#11381629)**:*
> > > *Originally posted by **[Freetochangeit](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=15#11381603)**:*
> > > Why is D525 used in FUDG instead of D1375? On mobile (2.7.0) D1375 is about 1700% while D525 increases HL from 600% to 3000-4000% after a "reasonable" number of spell casts. Doesn't it make more sense to use an instant 18x multiplier than a potential 7+x multiplier?
> >
> > merc building upgrade makes TC a faction spell. You need to factor in the additional 80M spell casts that you can generate after 8 hours or so (Don't remember who mentioned that its 80M cast in 8 hours. Dealt with whether or not it's that important not to fully cast during those hours vs just FC1, DB6, TC.)
>
> I've been looking at D525 and I'm a bit confused. The wiki says that the formula is 300 * x^0.3 where x is faction spells cast. But currently the tooltip for it only shows 94.3% With that formula even with only 1 spell cast it should be 300%
>
> Is that formula completely wrong or is the tool tip lying?
I think that D525 post-A is ((((300 * x ^ 0.3) + 100) / 100) ^ (0.1 * Tier)) * 100 - 100.
This is my R77+ W275 booster build, it gives roughly 1.6e6 assistants without much runtime. It gives roughly 6 times more W275 compared to a high gem Dragless run and 3 times the pre-Merc W275 build. It boosts some the Dragon bloodline and the Freemason's House for the Pagan Lizards build.
Basically I took the R82+ build and tried to fill the gaps. Any improvement ideas?
Faction: Neutral Mercenary
Bloodline: Undead
A2950: Elf
Merc template:
FR9,EL3,EL7,AN5,TT3,DD4,FC5,FC7,DN2,DG3,DG6,DG7,SP:Moon Blessing,SP:Dragon's Breath
Research template:
S215,S305,S330,S400,S1450,S1500,
C340,C590,C1300,C1325,C1500,C3000,
D25,D245,D250,D1275,D1375,D2775,
E25,E135,E145,E350,E590,E1425,
A105,A120,A175,A375,A1500,A2950,
W175,W250,W275,W400,W560,W1400
Edit: added bloodlines and some updates on effect.
> *Originally posted by **[ras1982](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=17#11420867)**:*
> This is my R77+ W275 booster build, it gives roughly 1.6e6 assistants without much runtime. It gives roughly 6 times more W275 compared to a high gem Dragless run and 3 times the pre-Merc W275 build. It boosts some the Dragon bloodline for the Pagan Lizards build.
> Basically I took the R82+ build and tried to fill the gaps. Any improvement ideas?
>
> FR9,EL3,EL7,AN5,TT3,DD4,FC5,FC7,DN2,DG3,DG6,DG7,SP:Moon Blessing,SP:Dragon's Breath
>
> S215,S305,S330,S400,S1450,S1500,
> C340,C590,C1300,C1325,C1500,C3000,
> D25,D245,D250,D1275,D1375,D2775,
> E25,E135,E145,E350,E590,E1425,
> A105,A120,A175,A375,A1500,A2950,
> W175,W250,W275,W400,W560,W1400
It's the second post of the thread ...
> *Originally posted by **[Hyppy](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=1#11297360)**:*
>
> ## W275 Buff build, courtesy of Curunur
>
> This is for buffing W275 when necessary. Requires a decently high (125k+) S400 for full effectiveness, which can be provided by the above. It seems to require a high gem count (e115+) to afford the lineage/research upgrades.
>
> Neutral Mercs, Undead Lineage, Elf A2950
> Mercs:
> FR1,FR9,GB7,TT3,DD4,DD6,FC5,FC7,DN2,DG3,DG6,DG7,SP:Combo Strike,SP:Dragon's Breath
> Research:
> S305,S330,S400,S1450,S1500,S3200,
> C340,C590,C1300,C1325,C3000,C3100,
> D25,D245,D350,D250,D1275,D2775,
> E25,E135,E590,E1425,E3250,E3300,
> A120,A375,A1200,A1500,A2950,A3400,
> W175,W250,W400,W520,W1400,W3050
>
> *Originally posted by **[Xikren](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=17#11420942)**:*
> It's the second post of the thread ...
At R77 you have no S3200, C3100, E3250, E3300, A3400 and also because no E3250 you can not use D350...
So I guess it is not the same thing we are talking about.
I don't think you really need a buffed W275 at that point, but it's nice to have a "quickbuff" build because the Curunur one takes off *really* slowly. Basically any simple max mana build with UL and Elf A2950 will get a decent W275 after a few minutes. Just a production build with C3000 and W1400 will do fine. It does get a massive boost with E3250, which comes around the time W275 start to have some value. Even a quick run can speed up your future runs decently.
Even if it was a build for the same situation, it is a *really* bad idea to discourage submissions just because something exists already. It is early days, loads of stuff is still suboptimal, more people trying out more builds is a good thing.
As I've mentioned a few pages earlier - the W275 buff build in the OP is horrendously bad.
By removing all the unnecessary sub 1k assistant upgrades you get a build that can be run in the sub e90 range and provides a valuable boost all throughout the merc phase, while losing an insignificant amount on the W275 value.
The run also produces a decent amount of gems at that stage.
Now looking at ras1982's build - you could also get away with dropping all of the minor assistant upgrades (FR9,FC5,...) and mana upgrades (S400,DD4,..) since 95% of your assistants will be from Elven Lineage related upgrades (DG6, A120, C3000, W1400) ; All you're really looking for is getting to A2950 and then letting it run for a minute or so.
Or just copy the pagan Lizard build and sub in the relevant assistant upgrades.
Assistants are sufficient for building until reaching e90, so you do not have to worry about it for the time being. The same is true for S400.
I think that it is meaningful to discuss new builds. It is because there is a possibility that a useful build can be generated by clarifying advantages and disadvantages.
> *Originally posted by **[Nilloe](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=17#11421205)**:*
> As I've mentioned a few pages earlier - the W275 buff build in the OP is horrendously bad.
> By removing all the unnecessary sub 1k assistant upgrades you get a build that can be run in the sub e90 range and provides a valuable boost all throughout the merc phase, while losing an insignificant amount on the W275 value.
> The run also produces a decent amount of gems at that stage.
>
> Now looking at ras1982's build - you could also get away with dropping all of the minor assistant upgrades (FR9,FC5,...) and mana upgrades (S400,DD4,..) since 95% of your assistants will be from Elven Lineage related upgrades (DG6, A120, C3000, W1400) ; All you're really looking for is getting to A2950 and then letting it run for a minute or so.
> Or just copy the pagan Lizard build and sub in the relevant assistant upgrades.
I encountered that and updated the build based on artcrow's build and posted to goofwiki, since this thread is unmaintained. http://musicfamily.org/realm/R75Plus/
**Legion (W275 Buff Build)**
Author: Artcrow, Edited by Necrodoom
Faction: Neutral Mercenary
Bloodline: Undead
A2950: Elf
Mercenary Template
FR9,EL3,EL7,AN5,TT3,DD4,FC5,FC7,DN2,DG3,DG6,DG7,SP:Moon Blessing,SP:Dragon's Breath
Research Template
S215,S305,S330,S400,S1450,S1500,
C340,C590,C1300,C1325,C3000,C3100,
D25,D245,D250,D350,D1275,D2775,
E25,E135,E590,E1425,E3250,E3300,
A105,A120,A175,A1200,A1500,A2950,
W275,W400,W560,W1400,W3050,W3150
> *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=17#11421831)**:*
> **Legion (W275 Buff Build)**
More W275 buffing:
**Horde**
High W275 buff for Lineage levelling builds. Primarily for level 28+ Lineage around the highest reincarnation reachable in a reasonable amount of time.
Turn off Druid Challenge 4 and autocast all spells + tax collection for buildup. Don't buy the tax collection upgrade, Round Table, until end of run. Finish the run during Sun Force assistants.
Requires: e118 gems (10 Octg), probably works at somewhat lower gems. High S400 recommended. At least 750K for maximizing Lineage levels, the higher the better.
Alignment: Good
Undead Lineage + A2950 Elf
Merc 13: FR9 (Assistant total was higher with FR9 than EL7)
Mercenary Template
FR1,FR3,FR7,EL3,AN5,GB7,DD6,FC5,DN2,DW9,DG6,DG7,SP:Combo Strike,SP:Dragon's Breath
Research Template
S305,S400,S500,S1275,S1500,S3200,
C340,C590,C1300,C1325,C3000,C3100,
D25,D200,D245,D250,D525,D1275,
E25,E50,E135,E590,E3250,E3300,
A120,A305,A375,A1500,A2950,A3400,
W175,W275,W400,W520,W1400,W3050
* S30 instead of S500 for runs over 7-8 days.
* Dragon Lineage and Dragon's Breath tiers are slow with this build.
Tested R93, S400 = 950K. note: I'm not sure of the exact length of the runs I tested, so those results may be a bit off.
~1 day: W275 = 2.2e7% (22M%)
~5 days: W275 = 3e7% (30M%)
A 5 day buff run should yield slightly less than twice the faction coin production of a 1 day run (in a subsequent Undead Lineage level 25+ build.)
Why every build on the start page of the thread contains DN2? This skill just gives bonus to 3 highest tier buildings based on number of artifacts (+17,7%)
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