> *Originally posted by **[Artgor](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=18#11435758)**:* > Once again there is nothing to do... R99 (thanks to mobile version 2.7.0), all trophies (mana Ocean took less that 7 days with S400 of 1.5e6), all spells at T6. I suppose I'll have to wait for the next game update. You're complaining about lack of content despite using the "bugged" build to push through content more quickly?

> *Originally posted by **[Gaminic](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=19#11435810)**:* > You're complaining about lack of content despite using the "bugged" build to push through content more quickly? As soon as the mobile version fix was released I updated the app. And it is not the main point - I have hit the cap a lot of times - dragons, neutral research and so on. The content takes a lot of time to be developed, but can be consumed much fatster. After this players can only slowly push reincarnations. I have said this several times - it would be great if there was some kind of repetitive mechanic: daily quests, some additional sphere of progress and so on. Crusaders of the Lost Idols, Cosmos Quest and many other games have examples of this.

Aaah. That's what I did wrong. Hadn't done the dragon lineage challenge yet, so didn't have Dragon's Breath, so couldn't pick up the DB9 upgrade.. I read the patch notes for 2.7.2 - "Multiple Dragon upgrades can no longer be purchased as Mercenary" and made two plus two equal five.. That having been said - I'm late in R75's gems now, and I must be missing something, as it's taking a very long time to get to the 100Qag coins for the unique building / FCs for the dragonline.. first gift only, 27 rubies, GB11 unlocked and 10Qag has taken me about an hour - so is a ten hour buildup reasonable, or should I be looking at a dragless undead line to tip over into R76, get KYE2, and then ease into research that way? Thanks for the previous spot, and for the future advice! > > *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=18#11434991)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[andyleigh](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=18#11434784)**:* > > Which I fear is now also outdated since the stealth nerf of "Only one dragon upgrade at a time for you steenkin mercs" we just had.. I've just got across the line into merc research and it's going to take me a lot of number crunching to try and build optimal builds again now - unless anyone has beaten me to the punch? > > You can only use 1 dragon upgrade per tier, this isnt new. None of the goofwiki builds are outdated.

@andyleigh what bloodline are you using? Activating undead lineage should make the unique building much more affordable, but it would take a long time without sun force assistants.

Also how many gems, since you didnt mention.

rellik - I was using the good merc production build, so dragonline (which I did actually say :)). Until you hit the unique building stage, FC gain is so pitiful it's a verrrry long run to get the actual bloodlines up and running.. Necro - yeah I didn't make it explicit - I was at the late stages of R75, I think it was roughly 150 OcVg gems. That having been said, I let it run overnight to slowly grind up the 100Qag coins, and about 8 seconds after picking up the iPad again I had hit R76.. so maybe it was just the 'price of entry' at that point.. just building up my gems now and will be getting KYE2 when the dragless boost slows down...

So I just recently had to do a W275 buff run immediately followed by some Lineage runs (raising my lineages from 25-27), and I noticed something.... the W275 buff build... W275 Buff build, courtesy of Curunur This is for buffing W275 when necessary. Requires a decently high (125k+) S400 for full effectiveness, which can be provided by the above. It seems to require a high gem count (e115+) to afford the lineage/research upgrades. Neutral Mercs, Undead Lineage, Elf A2950 Mercs: FR1,FR9,GB7,TT3,DD4,DD6,FC5,FC7,DN2,DG3,DG6,DG7,SP:Combo Strike,SP:Dragon's Breath Research: S305,S330,S400,S1450,S1500,S3200, C340,C590,C1300,C1325,C3000,C3100, D25,D245,D350,D250,D1275,D2775, E25,E135,E590,E1425,E3250,E3300, A120,A375,A1200,A1500,A2950,A3400, W175,W250,W400,W520,W1400,W3050 after everything was purchased and all spells T6 going and all buildings maxed etc... I had 4.07 million assistants. With the Undead Lineage 25 unlock build... Undead Lineage 25 unlock - R82+ courtesy of toimil This one seems to be able to get UL25 in about 2-3 hours. Tested at R87 with e113 gems and R84 with e105 gems (during the event with Seraphim 2). Use this one first to get UL25, then go to the below one for the other lineages. Neutral, Undead Bloodline, Elf A2950 Mercs: EL1,EL7,AN5,GB7,TT6,DD4,FC7,DN2,DW2,DG3,DG6,DG7,SP:Dragon's Breath,SP:Fairy Chanting Research: S215,S305,S330,S400,S1450,S1500, C250,C340,C400,C590,C3000,C3100, D25,D200,D245,D1275,D1375,D2775, E135,E145,E400,E460,E1425,E3250, A120,A305,A1200,A1500,A2950,A3400, W275,W400,W1375,W1400,W3050,W3150 after everything was purchased and all spells T6 going and all buildings maxed etc... I had 11.6 million assistants. So the Undead Lineage 25 unlock build is a MUCH MUCH better W275 buff build than the W275 buff build. Probably the other lineage 25 unlock builds are similar. So I think someone should update the first post to remove that W275 buff build and replace it with either the Undead Lineage 25 unlock build or a modified version of it (as it gives you over 4 times more assistants). Now, of course I didn't wait 8 hours or 2 days to see which is best after a long period of time. But for really short runs of 5-10 minutes, the Undead Lineage 25 unlock build is far better.

> *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=18#11434138)**:* > This thread is outdated, and you can find all the updated builds at http://musicfamily.org/realm/R75Plus/

> So the Undead Lineage 25 unlock build is a MUCH MUCH better W275 buff build than the W275 buff build. Probably the other lineage 25 unlock builds are similar. Not really. Fairy Chanting tripples your assistance, but Fairy Chanting does not count for max assistance. So your 11.6 mil assistance are ~3.9 mil assistance.

Pagan Lizards is not valid anymore I think, I can't pick the upgrades it recommends.

The build is fine. DG9 needs you to have Dragon's breath first.

can someone please explain to me the point of w400 in florian's good build?

w400 = double amount of 3 last tier buildings. TT6 (Cyclopean Strength) = increase production based on number of HoL good merc unique building = increase production based on non-unique building owned (somewhat secondary) Demonic, Druid heritage scales off building count too D1375, A1500, W180 maybe? plenty of things scale off building count, and it's a suprisingly good boost.

> *Originally posted by **[Lechter5](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=19#11461598)**:* > w400 = double amount of 3 last tier buildings. > TT6 (Cyclopean Strength) = increase production based on number of HoL > good merc unique building = increase production based on non-unique building owned (somewhat secondary) > Demonic, Druid heritage scales off building count too > D1375, A1500, W180 maybe? > > plenty of things scale off building count, and it's a suprisingly good boost. > well, it's a fairly small boost actually, ~2.5x production when i tested, it beats the Warfare research alternatives though.

So basically it's still better then something like w590. Got it. Now a putely idiotic question while we are at it: how comes Demon a2950 beats everything else, the obvious fairy included? I must be blind because I utterly fail to see what triggers off trophy count in this build...

HoL "Legendary whatever" upgrades. They give masses of production increases to all other buildings based on trophy count. EDIT: See an illustration in [this post.](http://www.kongregate.com/forums/8945-realm-grinder/topics/843256-feedback-on-r87-build?page=1#posts-11418833)

*facepalm* yeeeeeeeah. wow I got so rusty and lazy, utterly forgot that "stone age" raw-buildings upgrades may amount to anything... Thanks! Edit: I wonder if anyone tried Faceless a2950 instead. With a significant buildup time ofc.

> *Originally posted by **[ArcanisX](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=19#11461796)**:* > *facepalm* yeeeeeeeah. > wow I got so rusty and lazy, utterly forgot that "stone age" raw-buildings upgrades may amount to anything... Thanks! > > Edit: I wonder if anyone tried Faceless a2950 instead. With a significant buildup time ofc. Demon Lineage is ~9550x production boost at L27, that's with 0% bloodline bonus. Faceless Lineage as A2950 won't beat that.

Faceless as A2950 is just max mana, and may get beaten in max mana by elf.

Besides, if you really want to boost your max mana, you might as well do a dedicated s400 run and use demon anyway. Whatever you replace in the S line is going to be a lot less powerful than demon line itself.

hey guys could you help me with something ? i search for the best growing build , the kind of that never stop to grow and can smash gems wall if given enough time ( even months i don't really care) the least diminishing returns , the better even if weaker , i'm R87 thanks in advance

> *Originally posted by **[fbrauer](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=19#11440699)**:* > > So the Undead Lineage 25 unlock build is a MUCH MUCH better W275 buff build than the W275 buff build. Probably the other lineage 25 unlock builds are similar. > > Not really. Fairy Chanting tripples your assistance, but Fairy Chanting does not count for max assistance. So your 11.6 mil assistance are ~3.9 mil assistance. except that with my 4 million assistants from the W275 buff build I get something like 6-7 million percent on my W275, but with the Undead Lineage 25 unlock build I get over 15 million percent on W275. So they must be counting! And if they are not counting...then something else is going on in the build that makes it much better.

> *Originally posted by **[Wolfen17](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=19#11463466)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[fbrauer](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=19#11440699)**:* > > > So the Undead Lineage 25 unlock build is a MUCH MUCH better W275 buff build than the W275 buff build. Probably the other lineage 25 unlock builds are similar. > > > > Not really. Fairy Chanting tripples your assistance, but Fairy Chanting does not count for max assistance. So your 11.6 mil assistance are ~3.9 mil assistance. > > except that with my 4 million assistants from the W275 buff build I get something like 6-7 million percent on my W275, but with the Undead Lineage 25 unlock build I get over 15 million percent on W275. So they must be counting! > > And if they are not counting...then something else is going on in the build that makes it much better. Well the W275 buff build you posted has an absurd gem requirement - maybe you didn't get all the upgrades due to the high cost - the UL 25 does almost the same with a low requirement

> *Originally posted by **[BillyB773](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=19#11463363)**:* > hey guys could you help me with something ? > i search for the best growing build , the kind of that never stop to grow and can smash gems wall if given enough time ( even months i don't really care) > the least diminishing returns , the better even if weaker , i'm R87 > thanks in advance Reaper of Interests evil merc build can grow quite nice, atleast for me R88. it's supposed to be viable until e118, but could probably grow more if you don't mind the waiting.

I reached R91 with evil mercs so 1e120 it was reachable.