Thank you artcrow - for all your work. But I've got a few more questions: What is a sufficient S400 buff for PACKER in general? Is it 750k+ like for FUDG? I'm currently running the modified S400 FUDG build, could therefore PACKER be already best choice to replace FUDG (in my current R92 run)?

Starting with unbuffed S400 made Brainwave short in PACKER. 750K should allow for a much longer Brainwave. Wait 30+ minutes to start the T6 Brainwave either by keeping it at tier 5 or export/importing to reset the Brainwave with higher duration than it would be in the initial minutes of the run.

If you're lazy - like me - just let Packer run ~3+ days (through a busy weekend for example). I've build up 1e6 S400 close to the end of r94 and use it for mana ocean now. :)

Could you please provide run-time breakdown for the R92+ endgame grind? Specifically : + how long is your S400/W275 build , what are target values + when do you switch to FUDG , what is target for spell-count before buing Shared Benefits + how long are your FUDG runs before you switch to BG/PACKER

> *Originally posted by **[boarzz](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=25#11633866)**:* > Could you please provide run-time breakdown for the R92+ endgame grind? > > Specifically : > + how long is your S400/W275 build , what are target values R94 10 day run to get S400 to 1.34 M. Did this with Hellfire Blast for Demon Perk challenge so it had to be 10+ days. R95 leading up to the Summer Festival event I got S400 to around 800K or 900K as time allowed with the event schedule. R96 18 day run to get S400 to 2M. 750-900K are common S400 targets. You can get that, use PACKER and complete an R or two. Then a longer buff to 1.2M+ will probably be necessary. > + when do you switch to FUDG , what is target for spell-count before buing Shared Benefits I usually look at time left on Fairy Chanting or Holy Light tooltip. Getting Holy Light to 4000% in one run, then 5000% in the next longer run. It's not a perfect system. > + how long are your FUDG runs before you switch to BG/PACKER I do FUDG runs until 1 full length Fairy Chanting which gives less than 100x gems. For BG I tried to align the start with the end of SF:Offline, start of SF:Assistants. Then a couple hours casting before restarting the Brainwave (export import, go offline back online, or increase cast from T5 to T6 if Brainwave was left at T5.) so that it ends near the end of SF:Production. Brainwave is around 15 hours without S400. In my actual progression, I was already higher gems than I would start PACKER in R94 before I found the build. In R95 I was using Demonline PACKER because of the event buffs. And I've just sat at 2e121 gems in R96. If you do a run at 10x gems compared to x gems, you get 10 ^ 0.5 = 3.16x as many gems. If you do second runs after each at 3.16y and y gems, the run that initially started higher gives 3.16 ^ 0.5 = 1.78x as many gems. Therefore, doing an extra FUDG run is more useful before just 1 PACKER run that it would be before multiple PACKER runs. I'd go up to a longer 8-12 hours FUDG in lower Rs with one PACKER to follow and only 4-5 hours in higher Rs followed by multipler PACKER runs.

@artcrow, what's your current gem level and R count? R96 or beyond?

Sadly the BG/PACKER usage of 10+ hrs BW renders my gameplay troublesome. Even if I can have the app running non-stop, the scrying is kinda broken when using Firefox + ArmorGames, and after prolonged browser session I cannot get the scrying to work (when I reload the browser, it works right away). My only hope remains that A2 brings a way to avoid these kind of builds, otherwise it may prove impossible for me to progress.

judging from past experience,long runs like that are only needed for those that want to push beyond endgame,the majority of the time rush or at most medium length runs are all you need

So..... here I am at R75. I played Dragless to 7.8e87 gems, got the 8000 excavations used "Need for Greed" and got the 125k buildings in minutes used "We shall Rise again" to unlock the research, again in minutes. Then, I used "Blood Transfusion" to get all 12 lineages to 20. None of these builds had any gem production, so I am still at 7.8e87 gems. What build can be used for production at R75? I tried the Good aligned build at the top of this thread, but I could not get it going.... It does not produce any FCs, so I needed to spam TCs to get the FCs for the merc upgrades. It does not produce enough FCs for the 400 REs to activate the lineage, and not enough production to buy the unique building and turn on research or buy excavations past the 8000 for REs.

> *Originally posted by **[brf123](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=25#11652231)**:* > So..... here I am at R75. > I played Dragless to 7.8e87 gems, got the 8000 excavations > used "Need for Greed" and got the 125k buildings in minutes > used "We shall Rise again" to unlock the research, again in minutes. > Then, I used "Blood Transfusion" to get all 12 lineages to 20. > > None of these builds had any gem production, so I am still at 7.8e87 gems. What build can be used for production at R75? I tried the Good aligned build at the top of this thread, but I could not get it going.... It does not produce any FCs, so I needed to spam TCs to get the FCs for the merc upgrades. It does not produce enough FCs for the 400 REs to activate the lineage, and not enough production to buy the unique building and turn on research or buy excavations past the 8000 for REs. > Merc research kinda sucks for production until R76-77, when you have KYE2 and a few more specifically Mercenary research upgrades available, unfortunately. You'll be completing R75 as Dragless. What I did is, I used a merc build at R75 to tier Night Time, Grand Balance, and God's Hand at the same time to T6 right away. This both overhauls Dragless production, since you'll have UL20+NT6 instead of just UL13 or whatever you had pre-75, AND you'll be able to jump right into the Pagan Lizards build as soon as you're R77 with T6 GH and GB. You gotta use Dragless to reach ~e87 gems each subsequent R anyway, so taking the time to tier Night Time early is valuable. I know the last thing you want to hear is to grind more, but such is life in Realm Grinder.

Yeah. That is what I figured I had to do, so I have been running Dragless again. The UL20 perks make it a little better than the UL13 I had before. I knew I had to tier GB eventually. Throwing in Gods Hand too in a merc build sounds like a plan. Getting to Tier-6 will take less time at R75 than it took for the Dragless build a few Rs ago.

> *Originally posted by **[brf123](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=25#11652365)**:* > Yeah. That is what I figured I had to do, so I have been running Dragless again. The UL20 perks make it a little better than the UL13 I had before. > I knew I had to tier GB eventually. Throwing in Gods Hand too in a merc build sounds like a plan. Getting to Tier-6 will take less time at R75 than it took for the Dragless build a few Rs ago. Just to be clear, it is entirely possible to tier all three of those spells in a single merc build, thanks to UL15.

Cross posting here for people in 80's who are now realizing flower ghoul isn't working: In regards to Flower Ghoul being down and out.. I replaced Grand Balance with God's Hand(tier5) in revenant, and add TT9, and it cruising along fine.. I was at 84 and got to 87 in an afternoon. Also Change s460 to s270. I haven't searched for fixes for other builds though. So 90+ is gonna be rough. Last edit: Example of cruising along just fine, at e111 gems, the build carried me to e115 gems in about 2 minutes at R86. So I am pretty sure it will get me into the 90's just fine.

Concerning revenant TT9 gives me about 100% whereas dwarfen 7 givesme about 130% Just my numbers at R95 -edit1 i replaced A105 with A590, mercs have all challenges with that statue, so i think its drow bonus granting massive offline time -edit2 i replaced c300(GB) with c1300. Works fine

Is it possible to get merc encampment with dragless spells t6 or should i start tiering FC? Currently at FC T2 and DB T6, e91 gems with we shall rise again im only getting like 117k buildings after 2 hrs (goblin BL) Unfortunatelly most of t6 spells are out of reach anyway cause im low on FC Ediy: nevermind, found out need for greed

I don't get something on the packer build, which talks about C300. It's the only research that's not visible, i don't understand why ?

C300 has become Neutral-locked in the update. I updated the PACKER post, although it shouldn't be needed in v3: http://www.kongregate.com/forums/8945-realm-grinder/topics/783256-merc-research-builds-r75?page=22#posts-11483818

Thank you, i looked in the different articles but i missed it :-/

> *Originally posted by **[Methos72](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=25#11659497)**:* > Thank you, i looked in the different articles but i missed it :-/ Actually I only updated it after your first post. I've since updated it again with DD7 which has been buffed in v3.

Finally found a quick fix for **unlocking the Merc unique building**: R75 Gems: 2e90 Gifts: Heroes + Kings Neutral, Mercenary, Goblin Bloodline FR8,GB4,DM2,DM5,DM6,TT3,TT9,DD9,FC9,DN2,DG3,DG5,SP:Dragon's Breath,SP:Diamond Pickaxe Put everything on silver with TC on gold, wait for max mana, mission accomplished

How is it possible to buy C300 while running FUDG? It's locked for goodmerc

> *Originally posted by **[qrator](/forums/8945/topics/783256?page=25#12347271)**:* > How is it possible to buy C300 while running FUDG? It's locked for goodmerc ...This page has been outaded for a looooooong time, this is from early 2.7, you want this page for up to date builds https://www.kongregate.com/forums/8945-realm-grinder/topics/922600-3-0-build-megathread-good-for-3-0-3

Or this one: http://musicfamily.org/realm/R75Plus/

I'm on R75, saving up to get Secret Exchange, which should give me the faction coins to get the lineages to get the bloodline to get the diamond coins to get Secrets of the Warriors. I'm about halfway through the Assistants Sun Force period, and I don't even have 1e134 coins yet. I'm using the We Shall Rise Again build. Is it outdated, or do I seriously have to wait a full week to get this one upgrade? ed. I'm at 2e90 gems. 2nd edit: Damnit, I was reading DW as Dwarf, instead of Drow. It's working much better now.