Hi, i found a mistake in r46-48 and r49-60 starter builds. They are rush builds so s55 is pretty useless (in best case it gives only 30%). Instead use d290 for faster mana regeneration to shorten run(or swap other mana upgrade for production. Next thing is range as e33 is too far. Later builds work from e31 with comparable time(maybe its one minute faster to do additional rush or two to e33 but its less clicking to use other build.)

The demon UB2 quest unlock build says it needs S400 buffed to 50k, and then about 6 hours. But for me, after the S400 buff, the building unlocked immediately, before I was even done with setup.

> *Originally posted by **[nickescalona](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11716585)**:* > The demon UB2 quest unlock build says it needs S400 buffed to 50k, and then about 6 hours. But for me, after the S400 buff, the building unlocked immediately, before I was even done with setup. How many clicks have you done this R? For the 6 hours I assumed only about 100k-200k clicks before starting the run. If you have a lot more than that (1-2M) it will be pretty much instantaneous with a S400 of 50000 and a S400 of 40000-45000 will be enough.

The builds start using D1275 from R50 and don't offer an alternative. How do you unlock it that early? I tried a run at the end of each reincarnation with Goblin bloodline and only got to 100k buildings at R53 (e46 gems). Did I miss something?

> *Originally posted by **[Mazurem](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717537)**:* > The builds start using D1275 from R50 and don't offer an alternative. How do you unlock it that early? > I tried a run at the end of each reincarnation with Goblin bloodline and only got to 100k buildings at R53 (e46 gems). Did I miss something? Which Faction were you? You chose Goblin Bloodline for the building cost reduction, but did you choose your faction for the same reason?

> *Originally posted by **[OldYouth](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717587)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Mazurem](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717537)**:* > > The builds start using D1275 from R50 and don't offer an alternative. How do you unlock it that early? > > I tried a run at the end of each reincarnation with Goblin bloodline and only got to 100k buildings at R53 (e46 gems). Did I miss something? > > Which Faction were you? You chose Goblin Bloodline for the building cost reduction, but did you choose your faction for the same reason? No, just carried on using Titan because it has so much more production than anything else right now. What faction has the most cost reductions, Fairies? They seem really weak, would they even get enough coins to buy their cheaper buildings?

> *Originally posted by **[Mazurem](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717605)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[OldYouth](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717587)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[Mazurem](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717537)**:* > > > The builds start using D1275 from R50 and don't offer an alternative. How do you unlock it that early? > > > I tried a run at the end of each reincarnation with Goblin bloodline and only got to 100k buildings at R53 (e46 gems). Did I miss something? > > > > Which Faction were you? You chose Goblin Bloodline for the building cost reduction, but did you choose your faction for the same reason? > > No, just carried on using Titan because it has so much more production than anything else right now. > What faction has the most cost reductions, Fairies? They seem really weak, would they even get enough coins to buy their cheaper buildings? You are doing the run at the end of the Reincarnation right? Gems help a lot. Goblinblooded Dwairies get 2 cost reductions on everything (1.15 - 0.04) = 1.11 (34% increase in building count) 3 cost reductions on Inns (1.15-0.07) = 1.08 (182% increase) 4 cost reductions on Smiths (1.15-0.085) = 1.065 (222% increase) 5 cost reductions on Farms (1.15-0.13) = 1.02 (706% increase)

I tested a bunch of high gem A2 builds with buffs. The tests should be reasonably accurate. I took several shortcuts and all the builds have less Tax Collections cast and Faction coins gained than they would in actual runs. R111 1.5 Dd 1.5e39 gems Demon Bloodline = 811% S400 = 250001 93 Rubies, C340 = 10.3x W275 = 5.4M % Dwarf Perk 1 = 0% 10 target Grand Balance Qavg = e75, Qivg = e78 #### Non SS7 **Demon Lineage Druid** Requires: 10 target Grand Balance S3200,C300,C1325,D150,D275,E260,E1425,A251,A400,W350,W400 8 Qavg/s SS4, C1325 = 1316, estimated 20 Qavg/s with GB11 S3200,C300,C340,D150,D275,E260,E1425,A251,A400,W250,W350 17 Qavg/s, SS4, estimated 34 Qavg/s with GB11 **Angel Lineage Druid** S400,C300,C340,D150,D275,E260,E1425,A120,A251,W350,W400 56 Qavg/s, SS5, estimated 175 Qavg/s with GB11 **Undead Lineage Druid** S400,C300,C340,D150,D275,E260,E1425,A400,A251,W350,W400 6 Qavg/s SS5, estimated 18 Qavg/s with GB11 S3200,C300,C340,D150,D275,E260,E1425,A400,A251,W350,W400 2.3 Qavg/s, SS5, estimated 7 Qavg/s with GB11 * C340 alternate: C1325 (less than 50 rubies) **Angel Lineage Faceless** S251,S375,S400,C340,D260,D330,E350,E1425,A250,A300,W275,W1375 ~ 8.5 Qavg/s, SS5 * W1375 alternate: W180 **Demon Lineage Titan** S300,S400,C251,C375,C340,D150,D350,E275,E1425,A120,W260,W400 32 Qavg/s, SS4, Time Warps to 2 days S300,S3200,C251,C375,C340,D150,D350,E275,E1425,A120,W260,W400 57 Qavg/s, SS4, Time Warps to 2 days Dwarf Lineage: 0.75 Qavg/s, SS4, Time Warps to 2 days #### SS7 Some of these take much longer than others to reach SS7. I didn't test buildup times. **Angel Lineage Faceless** S251,S375,S400,C400,D245,D260,E350,E1425,A300,A3400,W275,W1375 ~90 Qavg/s, Time Warps to 2 days S251,S375,S400,C400,D245,D260,E350,E1425,A250,A300,W275,W1375 ~5.3 Qivg/s, Time Warps to 12 days S251,S375,S400,C340,D245,D260,E350,E1425,A250,A300,W275,W1375 Presumably C340x as strong as the previous one - 54.6 Qivg/s with 93 rubies. Not tested. **Angel Lineage Druid** S400,C300,C400,D245,D275,E260,E1425,A251,A375,A120,W350,W1375 10 Qivg/s, estimated 32 Qivg/s with GB11 **Undead Lineage Druid** S400,C300,C1325,D245,D275,E260,E1425,A251,A375,A400,W350,W1375 4.5 Qivg/s, Time warps for C1325 = 1903, estimated 14 Qivg/s with GB11 S3200,C300,C1325,D245,D275,E260,E1425,A251,A375,A400,W350,W1375 1.4 Qivg/s, Time warps for C1325 = 1697, estimated 4.4 Qivg/s with GB11 **Dragon Lineage Druid** S400,C300,C400,D245,D275,E260,E1425,A251,A375,A400,W350,W1375 63 Qivg/s, Time Warps, DB:White 959, 10 target Grand Balance 650 Qivg/s, More Time Warps to 16 days, DB White = 1590, 11 target Grand Balance **Dragon Lineage Faceless** S251,S375,S3200,C400,D245,D260,E350,E1425,A300,A3400,W275,W1375 600 Qavg/s, Time Warps to 10 days * C400 alternate: C340 * A3400 alternate: A250, 11.4x with Prismatic Breath in R111. **Dragon Lineage Angel** S10,S400,C25,C400,D1,D175,D245,E400,A50,A3400,W225,W1375 ~30 Qivg/s, ~11 days Neutral, Time Warps to 15 days

> *Originally posted by **[OldYouth](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717611)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Mazurem](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717605)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[OldYouth](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717587)**:* > > > > *Originally posted by **[Mazurem](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11717537)**:* > > > > The builds start using D1275 from R50 and don't offer an alternative. How do you unlock it that early? > > > > I tried a run at the end of each reincarnation with Goblin bloodline and only got to 100k buildings at R53 (e46 gems). Did I miss something? > > > > > > Which Faction were you? You chose Goblin Bloodline for the building cost reduction, but did you choose your faction for the same reason? > > > > No, just carried on using Titan because it has so much more production than anything else right now. > > What faction has the most cost reductions, Fairies? They seem really weak, would they even get enough coins to buy their cheaper buildings? > > You are doing the run at the end of the Reincarnation right? Gems help a lot. > Goblinblooded Dwairies get > 2 cost reductions on everything (1.15 - 0.04) = 1.11 (34% increase in building count) > 3 cost reductions on Inns (1.15-0.07) = 1.08 (182% increase) > 4 cost reductions on Smiths (1.15-0.085) = 1.065 (222% increase) > 5 cost reductions on Farms (1.15-0.13) = 1.02 (706% increase) Ok, yeah, it's easy with Dwaries. I didn't realise just how much those cost reductions stacked. Did a run at e40 gems (how much you have at the end of R50) and despite them making basically no coins at all was still able to get well over 100k buildings. Thanks for the answer.

Hi all! Regarding R45-46. > *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=1#11656873)**:* > # Titan (SS2) / Dragon Stage 4 unlock build(?) > > **Author:** Artcrow > > **Range:** 1e27 (1 Oc) gems - ? > > **Faction:** Titan > > **Bloodline:** Druid > > S150,S215,S250,S330,S500, > C150,C251,C330,C340,C375,C400, > D55,D200,D245,D290,D320, > E135,E145,E275,E320,E460, > A105,A120,A150,A250,A400, > W150,W180,W290,W320,W330,W400 > > **Notes:** Requires 6 hours to unlock SS2. Swap S500 with S400 if higher. > Swap E460 with E30 if Run if 12 hours run or more. > Also used for stage 4 unlock at e3? (?) gems (requires using S400 with at least 14k bonus, estimated run time ? hours) I was struggling to unlock SS2 under 6h so I did some testing. I was at ~4e27gems, had 50k total buildings, 5,5k Olympian Halls, ~2500 excavations. I did some testing with different researches and came with such a build: S135,S150,S270,S330,S500, C150,C251,C330,C340,C375,C400, D55,D200,D245,D290,D320, E135,E145,E275,E320,E400, A105,A120,A250,A305,A400, W150,W180,W290,W320,W330,W400 It's Artcrows' Rush build with two modifications: E330 -> E320 and A330 -> A305 It lets me unlock SS2 upgrade (=get enough FC to unlock it) in under 4h. Dimond coins are not a problem within that gem range. At e28 gems I can get SS2 under 2h (~1h45m) with that build. I suggest using it as an alternative for quoted build to unlock SS2 upgrade faster Edit: I have CtA3, GG2 and LS2 active. Link to the screen: https://ibb.co/dO8skw

scratch that.... when I selected all the researches, S50 was also unlocked for the Grim Reaper build. Need to buy all the Researches, then S50 afterwards works.

What am I doing wrong with the Terror From The Deep build? I'm R90 with veteran figurine, aligned as an evil mercenary, have bought all the researches, and no matter how many times I paste the template for mercenary ugrades (including UD7), the game still shows that one more mercenary upgrade can be bought.

> *Originally posted by **[pliskindc](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11720978)**:* > What am I doing wrong with the Terror From The Deep build? I'm R90 with veteran figurine, aligned as an evil mercenary, have bought all the researches, and no matter how many times I paste the template for mercenary ugrades (including UD7), the game still shows that one more mercenary upgrade can be bought. Did you already buy the Dragon Lineage? DG9 requires Dragon's Breath and without the Dragon Lineage you don't have it.

> *Originally posted by **[pliskindc](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11720978)**:* > What am I doing wrong with the Terror From The Deep build? I'm R90 with veteran figurine, aligned as an evil mercenary, have bought all the researches, and no matter how many times I paste the template for mercenary ugrades (including UD7), the game still shows that one more mercenary upgrade can be bought. It is likely that you are missing DG9, as UD7 took that spot before you had Dragon's Breath, leaving you with the 13th upgrade empty.

I tried using the Demon UB2 build, but it's not working. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. What exactly is the unlock condition, and how does the build develop towards that? Do I have to get it so that the duration of a single cast of CtA is long? But CtA's duration hasn't changed from 24 seconds. Do I have to have a long interval during which CtA is continuously active (spread out the 7 spell tiers)?

> *Originally posted by **[ralphmerridew](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11726361)**:* > I tried using the Demon UB2 build, but it's not working. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. > > What exactly is the unlock condition, and how does the build develop towards that? > > Do I have to get it so that the duration of a single cast of CtA is long? But CtA's duration hasn't changed from 24 seconds. Do I have to have a long interval during which CtA is continuously active (spread out the 7 spell tiers)? Did you disable druid 4 challenge?

> *Originally posted by **[necrodoom](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11726443)**:* > Did you disable druid 4 challenge? Yes. I had. I reenabled it and promptly finished the challenge. Thank you.

heya, I'm currently on R112 with 1e41 gems. I don't really have much to do right now, so I started a S400 buff build and it's been running for a week. Anyways....I noticed that W175 research is at 15000+ assistants. If I keep buffing W175, is there any potential for a Demon build at this stage of the game?

> *Originally posted by **[bb420777](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11727188)**:* > heya, I'm currently on R112 with 1e41 gems. > I don't really have much to do right now, so I started a S400 buff build and it's been running for a week. > > Anyways....I noticed that W175 research is at 15000+ assistants. > If I keep buffing W175, is there any potential for a Demon build at this stage of the game? HOW DID YOU REACH 112R

> *Originally posted by **[Vergilicity](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11727303)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[bb420777](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11727188)**:* > > heya, I'm currently on R112 with 1e41 gems. > > I don't really have much to do right now, so I started a S400 buff build and it's been running for a week. > > > > Anyways....I noticed that W175 research is at 15000+ assistants. > > If I keep buffing W175, is there any potential for a Demon build at this stage of the game? > > HOW DID YOU REACH 112R Halloween Event

I built a demon W275 buff build earlier, but the fact is that the lack of GG makes non-neutral production builds almost impossible in A2

alright, I've tried **We Shall Rise Again (Merc Research Unlock + Undead Lineage 20 Unlock Build)** three times now, and I must be missing some prerequisite trophy, becasue there is no way I'm getting the 7.5 quintillion undead coins needed for 400 exchanges in four DAYS, much less 3-4 HOURS with extra time to unlock Secrets of the Warrior. I lack the following secret trophies: Equality, Triple Weirdness, Warrior Researcher, Mana Waste, Prismatic Mana, Autoclicker, Grandmaster Researcher, Exchange High Lord, and Genealogist. another possibility is that I'm misinterpreting the abbreviations and numbering for the build. Here's what I interpreted it as: FR9: Swarm of fairies (FR = fairies, 9 = 9th upgrade), EL1: Elven Mint, EL3: Sylvan Treasure Frills, EL4: Elven Emissary, AN5: Angelic Wisdom, AN8: Angelic Dominance, GB7: Goblin Central Bank, FC7: Magical Treasure, DW2: Expert Masonry, DW6: Beaded Assistants, DG3: Eternal Wisdom, DG4: Dragonborn I am playing online at r75 with 1.184 Novg gems (1.184E90), the range listed on the build, I've done all the challenges, and casting only Dragon's Breath, Fairy Chanting, and Tax Collection for an hour or so results in about one quadrillion undead coins. Either something's nerfed the build big time, or something's wrong with my current skillset to make it useless. I am not a numbers guy and I haven't memorized every buff in the game, so can someone please point me to a build that might work with my situation or tell me what I'm doing wrong?

> *Originally posted by **[Unosuke515](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11730294)**:* > alright, I've tried **We Shall Rise Again (Merc Research Unlock + Undead Lineage 20 Unlock Build)** three times now, and I must be missing some prerequisite trophy, becasue there is no way I'm getting the 7.5 quintillion undead coins needed for 400 exchanges in four DAYS, much less 3-4 HOURS with extra time to unlock Secrets of the Warrior. I lack the following secret trophies: Equality, Triple Weirdness, Warrior Researcher, **Mana Waste, Prismatic Mana**, Autoclicker, Grandmaster Researcher, Exchange High Lord, and Genealogist. > > another possibility is that I'm misinterpreting the abbreviations and numbering for the build. Here's what I interpreted it as: > > FR9: Swarm of fairies (FR = fairies, 9 = 9th upgrade), EL1: Elven Mint, EL3: Sylvan Treasure Frills, EL4: Elven Emissary, AN5: Angelic Wisdom, AN8: Angelic Dominance, GB7: Goblin Central Bank, FC7: Magical Treasure, **DW2: Expert Masonry, DW6: Beaded Assistants**, DG3: Eternal Wisdom, DG4: Dragonborn > > I am playing online at r75 with 1.184 Novg gems (1.184E90), the range listed on the build, I've done all the challenges, and casting only Dragon's Breath, Fairy Chanting, and Tax Collection for an hour or so results in about one quadrillion undead coins. Either something's nerfed the build big time, or something's wrong with my current skillset to make it useless. I am not a numbers guy and I haven't memorized every buff in the game, so can someone please point me to a build that might work with my situation or tell me what I'm doing wrong? You are missing 2 important Mana upgrades (the R7-R11 Mana Waste and the R40 Prismatic Mana) and DW stands for Drow (import codes rather than manually selecting them). Mana Waste: A boost to max mana that grows with each spell cast Prismatic Mana: 35% more mana regeneration DW 2 Honor Among Killers: Multiply FC chance based on number of Assistants DW 6 Blackmail: Reduce Royal Exchanges cost multiplier (roughly 7,500 times cheaper to buy a lineage)

> *Originally posted by **[OldYouth](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11730328)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Unosuke515](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11730294)**:* > > alright, I've tried **We Shall Rise Again (Merc Research Unlock + Undead Lineage 20 Unlock Build)** three times now, and I must be missing some prerequisite trophy, becasue there is no way I'm getting the 7.5 quintillion undead coins needed for 400 exchanges in four DAYS, much less 3-4 HOURS with extra time to unlock Secrets of the Warrior. I lack the following secret trophies: Equality, Triple Weirdness, Warrior Researcher, **Mana Waste, Prismatic Mana**, Autoclicker, Grandmaster Researcher, Exchange High Lord, and Genealogist. > > > > another possibility is that I'm misinterpreting the abbreviations and numbering for the build. Here's what I interpreted it as: > > > > FR9: Swarm of fairies (FR = fairies, 9 = 9th upgrade), EL1: Elven Mint, EL3: Sylvan Treasure Frills, EL4: Elven Emissary, AN5: Angelic Wisdom, AN8: Angelic Dominance, GB7: Goblin Central Bank, FC7: Magical Treasure, **DW2: Expert Masonry, DW6: Beaded Assistants**, DG3: Eternal Wisdom, DG4: Dragonborn > > > > I am playing online at r75 with 1.184 Novg gems (1.184E90), the range listed on the build, I've done all the challenges, and casting only Dragon's Breath, Fairy Chanting, and Tax Collection for an hour or so results in about one quadrillion undead coins. Either something's nerfed the build big time, or something's wrong with my current skillset to make it useless. I am not a numbers guy and I haven't memorized every buff in the game, so can someone please point me to a build that might work with my situation or tell me what I'm doing wrong? > > You are missing 2 important Mana upgrades (the R7-R11 Mana Waste and the R40 Prismatic Mana) and DW stands for Drow (import codes rather than manually selecting them). > Mana Waste: A boost to max mana that grows with each spell cast > Prismatic Mana: 35% more mana regeneration > DW 2 Honor Among Killers: Multiply FC chance based on number of Assistants > DW 6 Blackmail: Reduce Royal Exchanges cost multiplier (roughly 7,500 times cheaper to buy a lineage) thank you, I can't fix the first two without doing another game for mana waste, and reincarnating for prismatic mana, but knowing how the build is supposed to go will defniitely improve things. Edit: and that fixed it, research get, and nearly at undead lineage 20 Edit 2: and mana waste unlocked on its own in the process, same with exchange high lord, and I made sure triple wierdness unlocked as well, so a productive run all around

> *Originally posted by **[Unosuke515](/forums/8945/topics/922600?page=14#11730356)**:* > thank you, I can't fix the first two without doing another game for mana waste, and reincarnating for prismatic mana, but knowing how the build is supposed to go will defniitely improve things. I suggest you get Mana Waste before R100. I suggest you get Prismatic Mana ASAP next R.