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Such a cool thing to have a game about philosophy. I even used this in one of my classes when teaching philosophy in highschool after teaching them about Socrates, Hobbes and Kant, was nice yo have students play the chapters where they met those philosophers...
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It's a really interesting game that really makes you think about differant phillosophy from history. I wish I was smart enough to actually finish the game, I tend to think about phillosophy a LOT, but like I said "I'm not smart enough."
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little bit late to the party, i know but i have to say this is the best flash game i have played in a while, nice job dev!
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No Nietze though :( I even expected the mast guy to be him before I started arguing him.
Still, loved the plot twist in the end :)
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Before even finishing the argument with Hobbles, I kept getting the idea that his basic flow was the way he saw the natural state. Long story short, while his is partly right, I keep thinking that big part of the basic morality is in our basic inticts. Hell, you can even see kinds of morality to many mamals.
So what if the answer to all this is that the basic morality lives in our basic inticts? In the entire discussion with him we simply assumed that our basic inticts have nothing to do with anything other than (desperate) survival, but that's not nesseserily true.
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I first completed this game in 2013 and have played through it roughly once a year since then. No matter how many times I play this game, I love it more every time.
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The structure of this game is the hardest part, you can see all the holes in logic but you can only get to them in a really indirect way, it's not intuitive
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I don't understand why it is bad to ask for clarification for some of these statements. I also am confused about the way challenges are presented, they appear to support the opponents argument so I am hesitant to even try them in case it drops my score, but I don't know how else to pick on their assumptions...?????
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I spose if the question is how we should base our morals, there's no real answer I could give atm. You can't base it yourself soley, cause hey! We're fallible, and we could be wrong. But then if we're wrong, who's standard is that? Are their morals higher than our own? Though if we're not to judge then I spose the world could operate like that, though then we'd have no standards
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Just my own little pitch on philosophy here... (haven't played through the whole game yet as a forenote)
I think on the whole, morality is a concept like time, where it doesn't really exist. It's rather a standard that we hold ourselves and others too.
Though morality itself is something society has created. Hell, that we ourselves created to give deeper meanings to our actions. To feel better about the things we do. Like a kinda sticker you get when you do something right, the more you have (the more requirements you meet to your moral standards...) the better you are, be it to yourself or those around you.
They do exist in the sense of our own standards and minds, (I know it's kinda sounding like Protagoras's argument rn, but it's not) however, it still leaves them in a grey area.
As the short version, they really exist as an idea, kind of standard.
Realizing as I write this I have a few holes and that I should be looking at this differently, but I'll get there....
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Wait hold on. Does everyone automatically learn English vocabulary and syntax in the afterlife to make it easier to talk to each other, or does everything they say just get magically translated to the person that the person is talking to if they don't speak the same language? The latter would make more sense, because who's to decide which language everyone should speak to each other in and also language is always changing, but if that's the case how can Kant still randomly speak in German, if, given that the latter explanation is correct, he already is speaking in German and we're just hearing it in English?
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This game seems awesome, but the first music with it's left-right sound wobbling is really distracting if you're using headphones
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this is not a spoiler its just part of chapter two where they say that the orginol sociacrats whent missing if you think about it abirtart the demon dude doesnt seem like an all knowing god of the knoldage dimention so i wonder is he socicrates
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I really like this game; it's clever, to the point, and it is based off of the Phoenix Wright series. My only problem is in the difficulty of the game. The difficulty doesn't come from the debates themselves, but in predicting the next train of thought Socrates will follow in a conversation.
Because he's not accustomed to debate like many of the players are, I have to go out of my way to point out things that seem redundant such as Hobbes' natural state for mankind referring to what humans would be like without morality.
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The one time you are arguing against somebody whose face is a literal skull, "your face is ugly" is taken off the list of protests. NONSENSE!
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HAHA, the Ace Attorney similarities are completely NOT a coincidence, just ask for Backing at the 3rd sentence of "Rules That Promotes Happiness" (with Mill) and you'll see ;)
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When the arbiter was being sassy and said "we all might as well become accountants" I couldn't resist saying "Your face is ugly". Felt pretty good.
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Incredible game. So impressed that a team of people, especially one as small as this, could come up with such a clever concept and actually produce a game that does it justice. The dialogue alone is masterful. Thank you for this altogether unexpected experience (I stumbled upon this in between looking for idle games...).
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I like how the moral (pun not intended this time) of the game is that "Your Face is Ugly" is never, ever, a good argument.
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Kinda reminds me of the Ace Attorney games, even the name is similar; pro and ace being synonyms of each other. Plus the way nonsense is displayed similar to objection.
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*SPOILERS AHEAD* This was a great game, very refreshing to see new ideas. The fact that Socrates was the Arbiter was a bit obvious from the beginning, as he hadn't returned in ages (it was assumed he lived his life when he cheated death, so why wasn't he back after a few years?). The whole concept was a bit weird though. Everyone claimed to have the answer, yet no one managed to leave the place, and still most of the philosophers had an arrogant attitude. Socrates could've just asked what their opinions were and dismiss them instead of convincing them they were wrong. Anyway, amazing game. 5/5
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Although this is one of the best games I've played in a while, I completely disagree with Socrates Jones. After all, the only thing he proved was that an answer COULD potentially be unfindable... not that it necessarily was... Still, 5/5!
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I saw the ending coming, and honestly, I've been going through some tough times recently, and this really helped. I'm starting to tear up now. Thank you. 5/5
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What a awesome and deep game. As someone who admires philosofy, that have a deep debate about morality, the meaning of that word. And for what the great thinkers seek: The Truth. Is there something as the Truth? Thank you, all the people who make this game. Its one of the best games I ever play here (and I play a lot). Thank you for making this great game. Thank you.
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I played this game a few years ago but I had forgotten about it until I was looking through my playlist today. I replayed the game for nostalgia and now I remember why I gave this 5 stars, favorited, AND put this in my playlist.
Not only was it educational, but also very deep and even really touching at the end. I will keep coming back to this no matter how many years go by.
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I would love to see a larger version of this game, maybe one were you can talk to a crap ton of philosophers in general and question them.