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ironsmasher

Apr. 12, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Is spew false dichotomies ever stronger than playing a strong ability on a bill.

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Developer response from delosford

Yes. It gets quite a bit stronger as the bill gets closer to passing/failing (assuming you're on the winning side).

JackMcFist

Apr. 12, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) As a follow-up - a biography type thing like say, nationstates does for nations.

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Developer response from delosford

This is something that's much more doable. I'm just not sure if people would be generally all that interested.

JackMcFist

Apr. 12, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) I apologize ahead of time if I don't make sense, but I've had this idea that the methods characters use to play for or against a bill could go into some sort of stat and your character could become known for personality quirks concerning them that are shown on biography type things that might grow as the character does.

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Developer response from delosford

That's kind of a neat idea. Thing is, it would require a lot of tracking and storage space, and I'm still not really sure how the game will perform under heavier loads. We've had much heavier loads in the past without issues, but I'd like to get the game up and running as 1.0.0 first with The Lobby and more people being active on both before I add potentially performance-degrading features (though cool they may be).

kellenredx

Apr. 12, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) still loving the game!

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Developer response from delosford

Thanks for saying so! The support is always appreciated.

Rhysdog

Apr. 12, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) how do we declare war on other nations?

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Developer response from delosford

you wait for me to implement that

penguinkirby

Apr. 11, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Prof. Chaos can start a museum, he has 4 relics

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Developer response from delosford

lol, yeah... not only that, but he's had 2-3 on all of his characters to my recollection. He's either damned lucky or found some way to increase his own chance for one at others' expense (probably jumps on rhetoric/SFD when it's up, mostly).

rombom

Apr. 11, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) In the case of Socialists being able to use 'Accuse Opponents of Socialism" it could be interpreted as them invoking the No True Scotsman fallacy or something.

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Developer response from delosford

yeah, I guess you could theoretically find a way for them to use it.

SmokingLaddy

Apr. 11, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Incredible game, nothing else like it on Kongregate or elsewhere. Congratulations delosford for your brilliant production.

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Developer response from delosford

Thanks for the feedback and support!

Diolki80

Apr. 11, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) I just had two ideas you've probably heard before. One was the ability to withdraw bills you've introduced. Probably would cost some clout to do that, to disincentives doing it, but I think it would be a nice option. Other idea, being able to introduce a bill to impeach the president. Not sure on the details for that one. Probably would want it to cost lots of clout, and likely make it like a binary bill, and/or require a vote after/if it passes. All I know is I'm sick of Socialist, and Liberal, and Green bills getting vetoed, but I don't want risk trying to assassinate the guy. Just some ideas I hadn't seen that I thought I'd throw out there.

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Developer response from delosford

I don't think anyone's suggested that first one, actually... why would you want to? Impeaching the president isn't a bad idea in theory, but there has to be some actual reason for impeachment. I'm not sure how to work that into the mechanic as suggested.

12q12q9

Apr. 10, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Question, what do the little face like thingies in the cloutiest leader board stand for? ex ._\+^+/_. _\-^-/_

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Developer response from delosford

They indicate the user's clout tier.

henry700

Apr. 10, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Based on that theory (fun fact: i also thought about that before) nothing is random, they're just determined by parameters we have no idea of. However if you mix a constant key with something "random", i'd still have no problem with calling it a Pseudo-Random algorithm, even though i agree that there's no such thing as a pseudo-random output with this model of algorithms because if there's something random in the algorithm it changes things completely and the output is random due to that.

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Developer response from delosford

That's not how random number generators work. Nothing is random, so how do they mix something random with something not? If they already had a random number, there would be no generation of anything.

henry700

Apr. 10, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Oh, you don't use cookies...Thought you did. My mistake. Algorithms nowadays are way safer than they were before...I also realize what you mean with your view of Pseudo-Random, I mean, if something is generated randomly, okay, but they are different from pseudo random numbers, atleast in the generation part, as it involves parts that are predictable, even though the output isn't. I guess that makes it Random numbers and Pseudo-Random Algorithms instead. Even if you use the standard Kong API for logins there's nothing wrong those days because the random number generated is probably HUUUUUUUUUUGE to even be bruteforced alone, unlike PHP in 2010. My comments were a mix of doubt, impulse, and worry. My bad.

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Developer response from delosford

Putting anything client-side for an online game is usually a horrible idea due to how easy it makes hacking. And again, either a fair die and "pseudo-random number generators" are both random, or neither is random. In theory, there are truly random events in the universe, but they could also be predictable based on things we don't yet understand. But we don't actually use those truly random events for any games of chance in real life.

12q12q9

Apr. 10, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) "emails from Nigerian princes," I wonder why I don't get any emails from Nigerian princes, what did i do the them?

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Developer response from delosford

They're randomly generated, but I assure you they do get sent out. Terribly sorry you haven't had the opportunity to collect on such a lucrative offer yet.

henry700

Apr. 10, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Btw, it's a video from DEFCON, so it's not any script kiddie talking, i actually got worried, but forgot PHP has already been updated years ago to get safer than when that guy did that, so yeah...

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Developer response from delosford

As I said before: the video you watched has nothing to do with how this game works. "session" and "session key" are very general terms used for many things. I'm also not going to give out in-depth information on how the game works to help people hack it, and I have no idea why you think I would.

henry700

Apr. 10, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) If you use the same algorithm it is, and that is what i asked... I also disagree with the Pseudo-Random part, whereas you can mix something random with something not random, forming something Pseudo-Random. I just asked if you use something open source for your PHP Keys. Probably the standard kong API, but that's a whole different algorithm i guess, so meh.

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Developer response from delosford

Like I said: PHP session variable hacking has nothing to do with my game because I don't use PHP session variables or anything to do with cookies. Just because you see "session key" doesn't mean it's what you think it is. You can disagree with me all you want about pseudo random numbers... but you're wrong. The only useful definition for "random" that applies to real-world events deemed random (such as the toss of a fair die) is that it has a normal distribution and is generally very difficult to predict. Software-generated "pseudo-random" numbers fit this definition and are therefore just as random as any natural event used for gaming purposes.

ironsmasher

Apr. 10, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) q, can we have an increase and decrease drug taxes bill that alters the price of drugs.

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Developer response from delosford

um... illicit drugs aren't taxed, being that they're illegal. However, there will be bills that alter the price of drugs (and booze, also in the lobby).

henry700

Apr. 10, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) After watching a video about how a guy lowered the total amounts he needed to try passwords by using many means, so he could bruteforce a PHP session key some days ago... I have to ask... You don't use the standard open source PHP Algorithm for that pseudo-random generation...Do you?

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Developer response from delosford

Just because something is called a session key doesn't mean it's the same thing you watched a video about. This question honestly makes no sense. There is also no such thing as a "pseudo-random" number, even though people love to throw that one around when talking about algorithms. RNG numbers are significantly more random than any physical event, which always have a predictable outcome.

JamieWolfyCook

Apr. 10, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) It amuses me quite a bit that Communists can learn "Refer to Opposition as "Socialists""

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Developer response from delosford

yeeeah... I kind of want to remove that for them, but then I wonder maybe I should remove other abilities for other parties and it kind of creates a bit of a slippery slope there when I wanted all abilities to be available to every party from the start.

henry700

Apr. 09, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Q, Top12Gun just kinda gave his auth key out when he pasted that error...

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Developer response from delosford

Nothing I can do about it. Though it's probably expired by now anyway.

valkros

Apr. 09, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Why when I play on an Increase Foreign Aid [Russia] I lose some constituent support ?

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Developer response from delosford

Some political parties have hardline stances on foreign policy. Check your party's official party platform IRL to find out about yours.

RRRT77

Apr. 09, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) how do i get to the lobby

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Developer response from delosford

http://kongregate.com/games/delosford/the-lobby_preview

Noly

Apr. 09, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) maybe that was because of kong mainternance?

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Developer response from delosford

That is something that will cause kong auth errors.

Top12Gun

Apr. 09, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) getting " Warning: file_get_contents(http://www.kongregate.com/api/authenticate.json?user_id=4183727&game_auth_token=2c8653697c396439b691564c352f05f664096036e9c5e3ffd5c34cd91ea59079&api_key=951cebd7-4d88-4897-b11f-7de02076ddf6) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 502 Bad Gateway in /home/cabinca/public_html/clout/clout.php on line 57 Session key authentication failure. Please reload the page. " after every action I take.

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Developer response from delosford

bad gateway/kong auth errors are problems on kongregate's end. You'll have to take those up with them, though usually they're temporary.

penguinkirby

Apr. 09, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Is increasing mexican tariffs a green party bill or a neutral bill? Because I just lost some constituent support from playing on it.

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Developer response from delosford

Some parties have hardline views on foreign relations. I based these on the official party platforms for the parties' IRL counterparts.

CosmicJester

Apr. 09, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Could there be a way to tag specific bills so they show up near the top of the bill list or even on our status pages? It would make things easier when you're working on other people's bills.

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Developer response from delosford

Try sending that person an associate request and adding them as a crony. Then you can see all their bills in the cronies window.

Top12Gun

Apr. 08, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) It'd be very convenient if you could travel directly to an associate or crony's profile by clicking on their name from "Cronies and Associates" > "Main" page. Can't do that at the bottom.

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Developer response from delosford

This is on the list of minor fixes. Kang is on your side... worry not.

Zeron

Apr. 08, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Hasn't been working for like 2 weeks...

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Developer response from delosford

That's odd... there's nothing that should prevent the game from loading in a specific browser. Try loading your browser in safe mode or whatever turns off all plugins/extensions and see if it still works. Or just use Chrome.

Daddysback

Apr. 08, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) How does rhetoric work?

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Developer response from delosford

rhetoric gets stronger the more abilities have been played for your side of a bill. It gets weaker as people play rhetoric for your side.

Zedzero2

Apr. 08, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) "Your scandal coverup has finished. It erased 0 scandals!" Yet it is supposed to coverup between 1-4 (Quick Cover)

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Developer response from delosford

Do you actually have any scandals?

TheMasterPunk

Apr. 08, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Is there any chance we'll see more types of illegal activity?

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Developer response from delosford

I can guarantee there will be some associated with The Lobby

henry700

Apr. 08, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Good good, LET THE PAYDAY MONEY FLOW THROUGH YOU...

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Developer response from delosford

nor do you

Rhysdog

Apr. 08, 2013

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Developer response from delosford

Nope.

Zeron

Apr. 08, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Game won't load for me on Firefox anymore :\

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Developer response from delosford

It's likely you experienced some kind of temporary connection-related issue. The game was experiencing more of those than usual yesterday. In addition, I was changing a lot of stuff and if you happen to try and hit the game as I'm uploading something you'll usually get some kind of error.

Rhysdog

Apr. 08, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) @q, so who did you assasinate?

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Developer response from delosford

I was testing the feature, so nobody.

nick41

Apr. 07, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) good good,let the payday money flow.

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Developer response from delosford

you really don't have to post this every week

warhero2019303

Apr. 07, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) can you pretty please make the pie chart in 'world view' a circle? or make numbers? thanks, it's kinda hard to tell with the elliptical shape

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Developer response from delosford

It's not the elliptical shape. I assure you that any human brain will automatically compensate for that. Pie charts in general are not good for conveying specific information. It's there mostly to look pretty, and making it a circle makes it look like complete crap.

Gear_Of_Road

Apr. 07, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Are you going to add the ability to scroll down in the personal offers page?

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Developer response from delosford

Not for everyone, no. There will be a paid option for this, all filters, sending longer messages, and some other stuff because storing tons and tons of long strings is bad for the DB. Things get kept a lot cleaner if not everyone can store infinite messages of a long length. I'm not really running GMail 2, here.

Rhysdog

Apr. 07, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) delos why do you have the assasin of kings achievement(means he killed a VIP) was it YOU who killed geofrey?!

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Developer response from delosford

Players are not VIPs.

Rhysdog

Apr. 07, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) is it possible to increase our relation from abysmal? if so how, and increasing tarrifs seems to decrease trade, resulting in pretty much the same amount of money...

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Developer response from delosford

See the comment below yours. And no, that's not how tariffs are designed.

lordvaros

Apr. 06, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) How do you affect nations "Abysmal" international relations?

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Developer response from delosford

You can't yet. That will be a special option that I haven't added yet.

Top12Gun

Apr. 06, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Would be helpful to have a section under "Bills" where you could see the ones you've acted on that are still open instead of having to do another search...

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Developer response from delosford

There used to be an option for this, but a bug in MySQL makes the performance of that filter abysmal. (Think the difference between .0002-.0004s for a typical query and 4.5s for a simple reference to your previous actions). For reasons of game performance for everyone, I can't have an option like that in the game.

brolly123

Apr. 06, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) So what exactly is The Lobby? Does creating a character there delete your one here? Do actions taken in there affect game play in here?

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Developer response from delosford

The Lobby is a separate game, with tie-ins to clout. Creating a character does not delete your character here. You can affect the gameplay in Clout with some actions in The Lobby, but to do so you have to accrue and spend favors with NPC politicians, which is a time-consuming process. There are also direct player->player interactions such as PC lobbyists from The Lobby offering bribes to PC Congresspersons in Clout (obviously, these interactions are disabled between your own characters).

Daddysback

Apr. 06, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Derp, comment got cut off. Anyway, so I heard that you wouldn't reset the game if the win bill passed or the country-crashers won. If nothing bad will hpapen, then why bother?

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Developer response from delosford

Considering up until yesterday there was a big news post about how the game would be reset if the win bill wasn't stopped... I'm not really sure where you're getting that idea from.

Daddysback

Apr. 06, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) So I

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Gear_Of_Road

Apr. 06, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) I'm hurt :O I've never been comatosed from drugs!

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Developer response from delosford

Maybe not directly....

Top12Gun

Apr. 06, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Can't find link to "The Lobby". Help?

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Developer response from delosford

http://kongregate.com/games/delosford/the-lobby_preview

Gear_Of_Road

Apr. 06, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) My second coma :')

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Developer response from delosford

Well if you keep doing all those drugs it's not terribly surprising...

febmaster

Apr. 05, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Will there be any way in the future to change your political party?

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Developer response from delosford

No. This would severely cheapen team gameplay in a lot of ways. If you're still CT1 and want to be part of a different party, just ask. I can alter your party, but players never will be able to.

henry700

Apr. 05, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) I approve of the diversified endgame proposed by ironsmasher, and making it different for every win bill would be coolio. A small DOOM period before endgame is awesome on EVERY game. Also, another suggestion, records for things such as "longest filibuster" "most time alive and elected" "most bills passed on a single life" "most people murdered on a single life(counts only after character dies)"

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Developer response from delosford

There will be a period of warning before everything resets when/if it happens.

ironsmasher

Apr. 05, 2013

Under rating threshold (show) Instead of an instant reset if the win bill passes can all the players be randomly murdered over the course of a few days or a week.

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Developer response from delosford

If things are going to be reset, there will at the very least be a delay period for people to prepare for it.

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