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The game is quite fun at first and the progression is ok. Later on the bonuses are off.
For higher tier runs you only get a 50-100% higher reward - yet you need WAY longer to complete.
Right now I'm at 30k% cost and income porstige bonus.
I can get to 300 Ash runes in 4 minutes. 400 Nature (+50% reward) already takes 30 minutes. And 500 Nature runes (+100% reward) takes an overnight run - at least 12++ hours.
How are you supposed to reach even higher tiers without grinding for weeks? The rewards for higher tiers are just too low - or the cost increase of higher runes too high. Kills all progress and fun.
Also, some of the bonuses are utterly useless, e.g. the "starting mana" - one run may increase my starting mana by some 2000. But my starting runes already give an income of several tens of thousands of mana per second. So the bonus saves me nothing.
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one important thing to realise is that uneven runs are more easy as even runs. so run001 (200occult) is more easy as run 000 (200 light) and 300 ash is more easy as 300 occult etc.
Once you find this, the game progress much more smooth.
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@BOINKY when you finish a run and can choose a new bonus, theres a button in the corner that says "bonuses" and will show you all the end run bonuses you've chosen so far.
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@pirro with random rewards being off it just constantly picks the "rng bad? add +x to all numbers" instead of choosing 1 of the 3 options.
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Oh, also... don't start a level 2 run before you've done a good amount of lvl 1 runs (just click "reroll easier runs" to start another 200 light runes run
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@fernando123asd The trick is to Prestige as quickly as you can, and for a long time on 50 magic runes only. However, i have a feeling i need to start every new run by unlocking the first 3 runes, until i get the auto magic rune; i think i get it quicker by having 3 runes started than when i only run the magic rune one.
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I've completed tier 2 with 325% income, 300% cost and 2250% magic runes and it takes ~1.5h. This may be a reference on when to try tier 2. However the reward of tier 2 is just the twice of tier 1 and unlocks fire rune %, this is too low and frustrating.
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How did people progress so fast? Was there some kind of nerf? "magic rune income upgrade" so far I never seen this option, and to me the start bonus is just 200 mana, not 600. Also, the beginning is soo slow, just waiting to get the first 50 magic runes takes forever by not buy any other runes.
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Tip: get +, - and auto buy for each rune then turn on automation either for all or next depending where you are and just let this run with auto buy. worship only helps early each run.
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@Kleiner144 Maybe because you cannot get from Prestige150 to 200 anymore? (the Final Goal never has an auto prestige option)
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Why not just keep auto prestige mode active by default? It won't do anything if you dont have an auto-prestige milestone set
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@yellowfellow50 No, starting runes only make you gain mana from the start onward. So you don't have to click a rune to get started anymore
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Does the gain in starting magic runes increase the cost of more magic runes? Does it essentially make getting more cheaper?
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@BoinkySiwinski : Prestige as soon as you can, and on the same prestige level for a while. Collect as many bonusses from that until you can prestige about every 2 seconds, then go for next level (and repeat). Just don't go for the higher prestige levels too early
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the game is not well balanced. to run 300 occult rune i have 1500 cost/more prestige, 3000 more mana, rest is not important. in 30 minutes. im stuck to: 280 earth rune, 260 water rune, 250 light rune, 230 occult rune. not impossible to move on. and farming it without an autobuy at the beginning is tiring for magic rune, because after each reset you have to wait until the autobuy appears. this game tired me.
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5 Only buy the runes you need for the next prestige. That menas if you dont have cost reduction on magic and fire rune dont buy earth runes the random prestige is on this runes you are unlocked
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@Pikolinapl thats up to you for how long youre willing to wait. you CAN do it whenever, but it will take a LONG time to finish the run. i suggest do a bunch of smaller runs to chip up your numbers. I tend to try and get all the new bonuses before i advance a tier. im not sure if its the most effective way to play; im by no means the farthest along. but get +25 magic runes, 5k mana from magic; and i was up to around 2k income and cost. see how fast you can finish a run and once you can do it fast, advance, and if you cant finish, end the run and go back down.
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@darkphinix i have: 250 more income prestige, 175 more cost prestige, 600 mana, +2 magic rune, 900 more mana from magic runes. and i dont start 300 occulus run. when start higher tier?
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Pikolinapl, the main categories are "income prestige (+)" that increases the mana made by that color; and "cost prestige (-)" that lowers the cost to upgrade or add a level to that color, making it easier to get to the level 25 or 50 and up break points where they get a big bonus to their mana production.
Later, there are also ones for starting with more mana to let you buy more upgrades right away; start with up to 25 of any given color already purchased; increase a specific colors mana generation by up to 5000% making the lower level colors stay viable as you continue to progress. thats all ive found so far and I'm on run tier 7.
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eh you can make run 003 of 300 ash runes if u make some earlier runs again and again, mana % runes rly help. then idk im in a while with run 003 it gets faster but later runs seems like needing a lot of early runs to get. A LOT . it's kinda playing while doing other things and sometimes saving and entering after a while that numbers scaled to end run and over and over again.
I thought it ends after 200 light runes but mheee lol though i find it relaxing somehow.
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7 With that, I've only cleared run tiers 0, 1, and 2. There may be much more to come or things change as you progress, but this is my starting guide or primer. Hope it helps. No squares are being filled in, not sure if this is a good game. jkjk I'm enjoying it like I do all of Moczan's work. You all should check those out too!
Sorry to break it up, I didn't realize there was a 1000 character limit or how to get each post to 1k without being tedious.
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6 As for advice on run tier progression, I've seen more of a boost from getting the magic rune income upgrade, rather than the blanket improvement to income and cost reduction, because it lets me kickstart the cycle of prestige faster. And faster prestige means faster runs. I'm not sure how useful the "start with" bonuses have been. Starting with more mana means I can buy things right away, but the 600 mana wouldn't have taken too long to get; the +3 starting mana runes would likewise give you a bit of a head start, but at their base value, I'm not sure if they were worth the run upgrade points. To that end, my advice (which may change) is magic rune % > cost reduction/income (reduction only slightly better, so, evenly) > starting with magic runes, starting mana (though 1 purchase may be worth it to get you going right out of the gate).
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5 That's the basics of what i've seen as useful notes. For further progress, you'll likely need to do a few tier 1 runs to get to the point where you can clear a tier 2 run.
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4 Once you're getting a prestige per second, or whatever youre comfortable with, buy the next rune. You're hoping to get the auto buy for that rune. Rinse repeat, while increasing the level of rune you prestige at when any of the runes hits that breaking point, or you notice that you're prestige-ing at something like 50 earth, but you're water rune is at 47 when that happens. If you were to wait for that next one to get to 50, it's likely worth it to wait and get that much bigger bonus.
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3 With that in mind, if you want to speed up your prestige speed, always buy the LOWEST rank upgrade available (magic>fire>earth>water>light>etc???) and try to get to where you ONLY need magic unlocked to prestige after getting to 50 magic runes. Do that for a few cycles, then add some fire upgrades until you can prestige after 50 fire runes, and buy and maybe get to 25 earth runes. You're looking for the "auto magic rune" option. (after you're first run ends, you'll be able to auto prestige and this will get MUCH faster too).
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2 It looks like the auto buy options only show up after you get an earth rune upgrade, or maybe after you've gotten an upgrade for both the magic and both fire and one earth.
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1 As a quick guide for folks, from what I can figure out after a few days of playing.
The 3 options you're show when you prestige seem to only be for the runes you've unlocked, with the exception of if you prestige when you only have magic runes, since there have to be 3 options, one of them will also be fire rune options.
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im glad this has much more progression after the "end run" but man i was not ready for it hahaha. another well done game!