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If you're going to have fun, it might as well be some serious fun. You're spending precious seconds of your life on it, after all.
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damsel1: Thank you for your comments. Always good to have new blood in a years old game. I have no problem with how you play. I have already stated that every way is fine. My only qualm is with your vocabulary choice. This would be similar to you saying you bowled a perfect game because you got the same number of strikes and spares while everyone else (except the troll MTargaryen who is enjoying our exchange) thinks 12 strikes is a perfect game. Both people would still enjoy bowling. You should continue to play exactly how you want. None of us care how you play. No one cares how I play. Most of the regulars have a certain respect for people who reach for extremes such as "Longest Survival Time", "Shortest Escape Time", "Mortars Only", etc. All of these extremes require acquired skills past the basic elements of the game. Please continue to play any variation you enjoy.
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Yes, we play this in different ways and have different goals, yet you don't seem to be able to accept this. I don't particularly care whether you think my way is wrong, or 'inappropriate' but I do think its arrogant to expect everyone to play your way. You play your way, I'll play mine. End of discussion.
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I personally play for domination of the map, covering as much area as possible, capping all emitters, and (lastly) attempting to place Odin City as close as possible to the expected warp-out point.
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damsel1: Most of us "regulars" play the game to an extreme of some sort. 1) Win as quickly as possible. 2) Last in survival mode as long as possible. 3) Play the game with self-imposed limiters (mortars only for example). Your method of "playing" in survival mode for a short time and then leaving feels not like as a win as much as not playing to any of the extremes. Happily, the game can be played in many modes. It is the use of the term "Winning In Survival Mode" that many of us find inappropriate.
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By the way, damsel, they don't just try to beat the level in a few minutes, they beat it as fast as possible using efficiency methods and even energy management. That is what makes it the challenge. In the end people try to challenge themselves in various ways and they're all nice, for example trying to get the best survival time, or letting the creeper pile up for >40 minutes before firing a single shot.
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10/19 is awesome on agressive mortar-only! :D I barely managed to finish my first mortar in time to protect the supply line, and the second+third barely enough to attack + defend the supply line more when the second part got endangered!
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Your survival time is how long you managed to last, warping out during it is technically a win, and indeed a nice challenge, but survival itself isn't beatable.
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Without reactors I managed to conquer the sea but the final push was too slow, should have built up more to the back first. And the right island also works, you can barely get to the center in time. :) Then you need to start conquering the sea with a bit of built-up supply from the top. I'm going to try again later, see if I can manage without reactors.
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Hawk45: I think our ideas of what constitutes a win is different. After all, trying to beat the level in just a few minutes doesn't feel like a win to me, I prefer to fight the creeper back, but that's just my opinion and I don't expect other people to feel the same way. As I said to Chilese, its each to our own; we all play differently and we all have our own goals. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Like chilese said... You cannot 'beat' survival mode. Rigging your setup to warp out once survival mode has been activated is quite simple, but does not constitute 'beating' survival mode. This is why your point total does not reflect this
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It took me 53 minutes but I finally defeated 18/10 :) Start in the middle, you can just secure it before it gets swamped. With a relay you can cross over to the right if you have a second mortar, which gives you some breathing space. Add a few reactors and you're good to go. Could do it faster now I think. But... 19/10 is here :)
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Barely managed to get a foothold in the center while also getting SAMs ready, now I'm past the second Spore attack with the center island conquered, time to save up then try to hurt the northern sea.
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Conclusion: Bad idea, because I can't get enough power there to take back the sea without reactors. Let's try the right instead.
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Whelp, 10/18 will require me to move Odin City for Mortar-only. Let's try moving to the left so I still got a lot of fighting to do. :)
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Chilese: Unfortunately I don't have a screenshot as this was something I did quite time ago and didn't think to save it - I wish I had! Yes, we do seem to have different ideas about winning. What I do remember was that I beat the level (warping out) normally first, then went back to try again, to see how long I could last in survival mode. Whether it was the type of map that worked well for this, I don't know, but I found that I could hold out against the creeper for quite some time. I got bored and tried to see how long I would last if I tried to edge forward and connect the totems. I surprised myself by actually managing it. At the end of the day, each of us have different ideas about how we want to play a level and how we consider it won. Each to their own.
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Perhaps you could post a picture of your "winning" screen. If it involves you leaving the screen by activating the totems, then we are talking about 2 different definitions of winning.
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I've beaten 2 different maps on survival. It's more than possible. Not survival from the BEGINNING, but once you have a decent setup you can do it easy.
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damsel1: It appears we are writing about 2 different events. Most of us consider warping out as NOT beating the game in survival mode. One can warp out of any puzzle after survival mode starts. The NOT POSSIBLE aspect is staying in the game in survival mode indefinitely. If you can stay in the game in survival mode long enough, you will see that your energy has an upper limit while the creeper keeps getting stronger. Most people post a final time when they die in survival mode after a long and ultimately brutal death.
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How I beat it in survival was to play the game normally first, building up my network (taking over most of the map but not connecting the 3 totems) and adding extra mortars and blasters, with backup from plenty of drones. I also built lots of reactors and storage (you will need lots of energy). Once everything was in place and the storage full, I switched to survival mode. It certainly isn't easy to fight the creeper back, it took me a long time to inch my way forward but I was able to contain the creeper close to the emitters and connect up the totems to warp out. I doubt it can be done from starting in survival as the creeper advances too fast. It probably depends on the map too. If you're looking for a challenge, this is definitely it but be prepared to have a long fight on your hands.
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You can beat the game on survival - it's not easy and you must have your network well set up, with plenty of weaponry and stored energy (plus plenty of time to work at it) but it CAN be done.
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You can NOT beat the game on survival. You last as long as you can. Your energy outflow is capped, the creeper output is not.